Re: Carter, Minnards, Applegarth, Ford : Mon Apr 17, 2023 6:24 am  

BarnsleyGull wrote:

Well, thanks for that insight....
I don't seem to remember you coming running from the hills to put your money into the club....

Why would the average fan do that? I do laugh when I see the 'well you put some money in the club' stance.

The Chairman or CEO of any business/club/company have the responsibility to run the club and attract new investment. Begging fans for more money from....ahem......shares etc smacks of desperation.

There's only so much the average fan can part with......a season ticket, shirt and a few away days is the maximum they can muster.

Baffling.

Re: Carter, Minnards, Applegarth, Ford : Mon Apr 17, 2023 6:24 am  

Barnsley we ain't had a plan for the last 8 years. It's a pathetic and meaningless question to ask for one now or expect a structured answers. From memory you have been one of Carter's disciples defending him at every opportunity, surely even you can see that his particular form of accountancys sucked the life out the club and offered nothing in return. The owners must take full responsibility for the state of the club,

Re: Carter, Minnards, Applegarth, Ford : Mon Apr 17, 2023 6:42 am  

Mary Millington wrote:

Why would the average fan do that? I do laugh when I see the 'well you put some money in the club' stance.

The Chairman or CEO of any business/club/company have the responsibility to run the club and attract new investment. Begging fans for more money from....ahem......shares etc smacks of desperation.

There's only so much the average fan can part with......a season ticket, shirt and a few away days is the maximum they can muster.

Baffling.

Couldn't agree more here.

It would be interesting to calculate how much those who have bought season tickets and shirts, over decades have actually paid into the club.

Re: Carter, Minnards, Applegarth, Ford : Mon Apr 17, 2023 7:48 am  

People need to get a grip!

A well-run club with an ability to increase income is going to get relegated. It's happened to other clubs. Now, it's our turn. Like it happened to Leigh. Look at them now!

It's how we cope with it that counts, and I think we'll do okay.

Maybe what's been missing is a lack of imagination in terms of how to increase money, or a willingness to take risks, but Glover was full of that hot air too.

Applegarth has turned out to be a bad move. However, from the outside last year, it did seem like he had a part in the uplift last year. Turns out it was a false dawn and they have to get someone new in.

But I'd rather be relegated with Minards in charge than whoever might replace him. But it often seems like the criticism of Carter is about personal vendettas rather than an objective view of how he has managed the club. He can only put together what finances will allow, with players who are willing to sign up for never winning anything in poor surroundings.

For me, the villains are Yorkcourt. We should be way ahead of where we are now in relation to the ground, years ahead, and if you live life by dodging bullets, eventually you get hit by one.

And for the record, I don't know MC, have never met him, and have no connection with him. I just prefer stability to bankruptcy.

Re: Carter, Minnards, Applegarth, Ford : Mon Apr 17, 2023 7:50 am  

Mary Millington wrote:

As a starter, after a decade at the club, you'd think we'd be so much better in the recruitment market wouldn't you......even with our small budget?

I don’t think we’ve always got our overseas recruitment wrong..Fifita Arona tupou more recent players who have served the club well. And chucking money at billy big bucks from Australia doesn’t guarantee you a higher league position (as wire fans about that)

I don’t disagree with you regarding this season’s players, the overseas recruiting has been poor and we’re not getting value out of them. Coupled with some English based players it’s left us struggling to compete..

The single biggest problem we have faced in my opinion was the reduction in sky money( half million I think) this problem has tipped us over the edge. With no funds to make up the shortfall and the poor recruitment we now see that filtering out onto the field.

I think the the club have been on the lookout for investment.. but who in their right mind was ever going to invest in a club who’s ground looked like it had taken incoming shelling adding the fact that we didn’t own it and then the ongoing debt issues.. these are all problems that have been addressed (not completely but addressed)

Unfortunately a backer has not been forthcoming but you can’t say to the board…. Well you will have to stump up some more money… they may either not want to or doesn’t have the fund to..
But …. And think this is probably the most important thing now. the above is being addressed, it makes us more attractive should someone be interested in investing . Should we drop into the championship ( which at the moment I think is very likely ) we will have a chance to fight our way back up..

We could have thrown a lot of money we didn’t have to try and elevate the situation with no guarantee it would pay off …. Then end up still being relegated ….. and starting in The championship in debt and rudderless (ask Bradford bulls fans about that!)

Everyone who posts on here mate wants the best for our club .
I’m gutted this morning as I’m sure all others will be..
We just have different opinions on how our problems should be addressed..
All I would say is keep supporting the club even if you don’t agree about how it’s being run..

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Re: Carter, Minnards, Applegarth, Ford : Mon Apr 17, 2023 8:01 am  

Slugger McBatt wrote:

People need to get a grip!

A well-run club with an ability to increase income is going to get relegated. It's happened to other clubs. Now, it's our turn. Like it happened to Leigh. Look at them now!

It's how we cope with it that counts, and I think we'll do okay.

Maybe what's been missing is a lack of imagination in terms of how to increase money, or a willingness to take risks, but Glover was full of that hot air too.

Applegarth has turned out to be a bad move. However, from the outside last year, it did seem like he had a part in the uplift last year. Turns out it was a false dawn and they have to get someone new in.

But I'd rather be relegated with Minards in charge than whoever might replace him. But it often seems like the criticism of Carter is about personal vendettas rather than an objective view of how he has managed the club. He can only put together what finances will allow, with players who are willing to sign up for never winning anything in poor surroundings.

For me, the villains are Yorkcourt. We should be way ahead of where we are now in relation to the ground, years ahead, and if you live life by dodging bullets, eventually you get hit by one.

And for the record, I don't know MC, have never met him, and have no connection with him. I just prefer stability to bankruptcy.

Wholeheartedly agree.

After the disappointment of Cas and then Leigh fans are obviously looking for someone (or everyone) to blame.

The thing is Minnards has been outstanding in getting the off field improvements done. Carter is leaving his role as CEO but has completely rescued the club in the past. Mash is clearly a talent (though possibly not head coach but I'm not fully convinced of that)
To just burn the house down in a rage doesn't help anyone.
There is still plenty of opportunity to fix this in terms of number of games but right now, this team can't do it.
I think the best thing Carter can do is use his skills to negotiate a fee with Atoni and use the money for one of the stand offs in France for a short term rescue contract.

Re: Carter, Minnards, Applegarth, Ford : Mon Apr 17, 2023 8:16 am  

Kettykat wrote:

So the 17 professional paid players who capitulated so badly yesterday carry no responsibility, and it was Minards n Carter dropping off tackles and walking taking the ball up ,and clueless in every other facets of the game ..right ,give it a rest , suppose they told lynne to walk around aimlessly all game and put no effort in going forwards or Kershaw to keep coming in off his wing so Charley could look like a world beater .Eastmoor dragons would have put a better performance in than that shower of gutless wonders . But let’s bag the board it’s far easier than calling the players out for that sh-t show .

The bottom line is that the 17 players selected and the game plan they were "following" didn't work and they weren't good enough to secure a win (or register a point).
Of those 17, not one of them would get a starting spot in any other SL club and this tells you everything you need to know.
Quite simply, we cannot afford ant SL quality players (Murphy and Tangianoa aside).
The performance of our overseas contingent is bloody embarrassing and you have to assume that they are busted.

After watching through thin and thinner for over 40 years, we are fast becoming an embarrassment. It's heart-breaking

Turning up at games, already knowing that we wont win and probably wont register a point is no longer worth the effort..

Re: Carter, Minnards, Applegarth, Ford : Mon Apr 17, 2023 8:22 am  

Your fans deserve all they get for the way you hounded out Chris Chester, a man doing a very decent job at the time.

Since you got your way and he went your club has sunk like a stone, which just goes to show what Wakey fans actually know.

You piled pressure on the club to get rid because you thought your club was something it wasn't and too good for Chester, you finally got your way and now relegation looms.

Wakefield fans have therefore played a massive roll in the club's current demise.

Re: Carter, Minnards, Applegarth, Ford : Mon Apr 17, 2023 8:25 am  

The fact remains that the players we put out on the pitch yesterday have very little chance, if any, of beating any other team in the comp. That is the 1st thing we need to see change. For starters, Atoni needs putting away in the same box that Lineham has been shipped off to, both offer negative input on the pitch.

On a different note: Will people stop using the word invest. Its a sugar daddy we need who just wants a bit of kudos.

Re: Carter, Minnards, Applegarth, Ford : Mon Apr 17, 2023 8:25 am  

Slugger McBatt wrote:

People need to get a grip!

A well-run club with an ability to increase income is going to get relegated. It's happened to other clubs. Now, it's our turn. Like it happened to Leigh. Look at them now!

It's how we cope with it that counts, and I think we'll do okay.

Maybe what's been missing is a lack of imagination in terms of how to increase money, or a willingness to take risks, but Glover was full of that hot air too.

Applegarth has turned out to be a bad move. However, from the outside last year, it did seem like he had a part in the uplift last year. Turns out it was a false dawn and they have to get someone new in.

But I'd rather be relegated with Minards in charge than whoever might replace him. But it often seems like the criticism of Carter is about personal vendettas rather than an objective view of how he has managed the club. He can only put together what finances will allow, with players who are willing to sign up for never winning anything in poor surroundings.

For me, the villains are Yorkcourt. We should be way ahead of where we are now in relation to the ground, years ahead, and if you live life by dodging bullets, eventually you get hit by one.

And for the record, I don't know MC, have never met him, and have no connection with him. I just prefer stability to bankruptcy.

Yes great post, but you failed to explain that if you are short of money why would you recklessly waste what little you have.