Re: Is James Elston Pinocchio??? : Tue Dec 28, 2010 1:25 pm  

dboy wrote:

I'm bemused as to why "ordinary" fans on here feel that they should be privvy to the agreements being set up by the club!!

Yes, I too am dying to hear some positive news about our future, but I guess it will come with time. I don't subscribe, like the doom-mongers on here, that no news is bad news, nor do I blindly accept that everything is rosy.

What I do know is that there is a correct process to follow..

We should know it by now, because the club should have known it well in advance of the Pickles decision. Plus without us, there will be no club.

You must see that no news is deemed as bad news and that all the signs here point to the fact that the club have not prepared Plan B properly in advance. They even had an extra 2 to 3 weeks to work on it after the initial decision on Newmarket was deferred

Re: Is James Elston Pinocchio??? : Tue Dec 28, 2010 1:35 pm  

No, the only point anyone has made, is that perhaps merchandise/ticket sales would have been affected over Xmas. However, as the decision about plan B, would affect next year's sales, not this year's particularly, I'm not convinced by that argument.

There are perhaps a couple of scenarios...the club still have some details to agree with wherever we are going to go...obviously there is nothing to tell then and this is not an urgent matter, as in we need a ground tomorrow.

The other scenario is that a deal is done and there are reasons dictating when the announcement is made...maybe political reasons...maybe about building pressure elsewhere...

I guess we will find out soon enough.

Re: Is James Elston Pinocchio??? : Tue Dec 28, 2010 1:38 pm  

dboy wrote:

I'm bemused as to why "ordinary" fans on here feel that they should be privvy to the agreements being set up by the club!!

Yes, I too am dying to hear some positive news about our future, but I guess it will come with time. I don't subscribe, like the doom-mongers on here, that no news is bad news, nor do I blindly accept that everything is rosy.

What I do know is that there is a correct process to follow..

to clear up your bemusement, its not that we dont know the agreements, its the fact that that there wasnt an immediate fallback plan ready to be announced on the day of the referal, as kinley rightly says we, the normal fast depleting fans of the club, are its lifeblood, and we have no bloody idea what is going on, where we will play, or indeed if we will actually apply for a SL franchise, baring in mind if we do its more that likely to be played out outside wakefield.

Re: Is James Elston Pinocchio??? : Tue Dec 28, 2010 1:48 pm  

chapster wrote:

to clear up your bemusement, its not that we dont know the agreements, its the fact that that there wasnt an immediate fallback plan ready to be announced on the day of the referal, as kinley rightly says we, the normal fast depleting fans of the club, are its lifeblood, and we have no bloody idea what is going on, where we will play, or indeed if we will actually apply for a SL franchise, baring in mind if we do its more that likely to be played out outside wakefield.

Don't kid yourself that "we" are the lifeblood of the club - Ted's money is considerably more important.

"We" - the vocal half dozen on here, do not represent "the fans" - which in some ways is a shame, because people on here clearly care about the club.

I still don't get where this expectation/demand to be told everything immediately comes from.

We don't need to be in a substitute ground for 14 months - wouldn't it be a bit silly (in a business sense), to be committed to something now, beyond an outline, agreement in principle - binding or otherwise?

Re: Is James Elston Pinocchio??? : Tue Dec 28, 2010 1:59 pm  

dboy wrote:

Don't kid yourself that "we" are the lifeblood of the club - Ted's money is considerably more important

"We" - the vocal half dozen on here, do not represent "the fans" - which in some ways is a shame, because people on here clearly care about the club.

I still don't get where this expectation/demand to be told everything immediately comes from.

We don't need to be in a substitute ground for 14 months - wouldn't it be a bit silly (in a business sense), to be committed to something now, beyond an outline, agreement in principle - binding or otherwise?

1 teds money gave us a present, it will not give us a future
2 says it all, the vocal half dozen used to be about a vocal 100, and we discussed rugby, sometimes.
3 The demand is from those with some business sense that know that a clear statement should have been pre prepared about our intentions on that day even if it was only "we are in negotiations and confirm it will not affect any bid for a SL franchise"
4 I sort of agree about the agreement, cos im good like that

Re: Is James Elston Pinocchio??? : Tue Dec 28, 2010 3:20 pm  

Regarding the Shareholders meeting, does this include those who purchased shares around 2009?

If so will the club be informing them, or do they have to bring along their certificate as proof of their holding?

Re: Is James Elston Pinocchio??? : Tue Dec 28, 2010 3:23 pm  

dboy wrote:

I'm bemused as to why "ordinary" fans on here feel that they should be privvy to the agreements being set up by the club!!

Yes, I too am dying to hear some positive news about our future, but I guess it will come with time. I don't subscribe, like the doom-mongers on here, that no news is bad news, nor do I blindly accept that everything is rosy.

What I do know is that there is a correct process to follow..

I think it's because you can't seem to be run like a family corner shop business then expect people to take you seriously when you talk about following correct procedures. The problem is we've been led down the garden path more times than I care to remember so people are suspicious of the club's capabilities to find a solution to the current problem. Despite the nods, winks and don't worries of those 'in the know' we are still going nowhere fast seems it's not just the mere ordinary fans who haven't got a clue it's those who are actually involved as well.

Re: Is James Elston Pinocchio??? : Tue Dec 28, 2010 3:26 pm  

The Devil's Advocate wrote:

Regarding the Shareholders meeting, does this include those who purchased shares around 2009?

If so will the club be informing them, or do they have to bring along their certificate as proof of their holding?

Well in an ideal world they should inform holders but we'll see, last time i went they had a list on entry and that should include all share holders. You could take your certificate along just in case but i bought some around that time.

Re: Is James Elston Pinocchio??? : Tue Dec 28, 2010 3:30 pm  

J.T wrote:

I think it's because you can't seem to be run like a family corner shop business then expect people to take you seriously when you talk about following correct procedures. The problem is we've been led down the garden path more times than I care to remember so people are suspicious of the club's capabilities to find a solution to the current problem. Despite the nods, winks and don't worries of those 'in the know' we are still going nowhere fast seems it's not just the mere ordinary fans who haven't got a clue it's those who are actually involved as well.

In a nuttshell and some of the "ordinary fans" on here have gone way above that with sponsorship and the like, now i could see the other side of the debate if the path was not so long and well trodden.

Re: Is James Elston Pinocchio??? : Tue Dec 28, 2010 3:41 pm  

TRB wrote:

Plan B was well thought of - I knew about it back in June/July when attempts were being made for us to abandon NM and move to GH. Since the announcement 2 weeks ago, there has been movement relating to plan B and when the time is right for the business, I'm sure all will become known.

I do understand the frustration, but none of this is as easy as many would imply on here and I suspect the current position would be little different if others were in control in the same set of circumstances. No pantomime villains or heroes here, just hard working people doing the best they can with what they can!

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