Re: Public Meeting Confirmed for 22nd April - Cats : Mon May 04, 2015 10:50 am  

sir richard wrote:

One quick question, if we do take legal action as it looks likely we will have to get anywhere and we win our case and NC is put on the 106 what do people think would happen.
The 2m from the council looks as though its long gone and I don't see YC having x millions to build us a ground.
So all I want to know is what are wwe hoping to get if we win.

I don't think we'll get anything, however it may stop YC from developing the site further.

Re: Public Meeting Confirmed for 22nd April - Cats : Mon May 04, 2015 11:14 am  

Do we have any other funding in place or if not in place then guaranteed should the project go ahead or funding that we know 100% is accessible to us once we sign contracts to build or sources of funding identified that yet need applying for?

If yes to any of the above, can someone categorise the sources for me and give approximate values?

Thanks

Re: Public Meeting Confirmed for 22nd April - Cats : Mon May 04, 2015 11:21 am  

Khlav Kalash wrote:

I don't think we'll get anything, however it may stop YC from developing the site further.

But wouldn't that be cutting off our nose to spite the face of Wakefield, because if the development didn't go ahead look at all the jobs that would be lost for the area

Re: Public Meeting Confirmed for 22nd April - Cats : Mon May 04, 2015 11:56 am  

There's quite a long letter in the League Express today from a guy called Neil Rodgers who is Service Director for planning etc. at WMDC in which he explains that it's nothing to do with the council and that it was made clear that Newcold would not count towards the stadium development.
There are a couple of things however that I'm not clear about. In it he says that legal advice was sought from the councils own planning lawyer. That will be the one who they didn't appear to be able to provide the info from under the FOI request as I understand it ????

The other thing is that he says the size of the development (Newcold) is below the 60K square Mtrs threshold for contributing toward the stadium. This to me reads as though for the stadium to start, any one building that goes up has to be more than 60k sq mtrs whereas I though it was the total of any developments that may take place had to equal or exceed this figure. ?????

Re: Public Meeting Confirmed for 22nd April - Cats : Mon May 04, 2015 12:05 pm  

LyndsayGill wrote:

There's quite a long letter in the League Express today from a guy called Neil Rodgers who is Service Director for planning etc. at WMDC in which he explains that it's nothing to do with the council and that it was made clear that Newcold would not count towards the stadium development.
There are a couple of things however that I'm not clear about. In it he says that legal advice was sought from the councils own planning lawyer. That will be the one who they didn't appear to be able to provide the info from under the FOI request as I understand it ????

The other thing is that he says the size of the development (Newcold) is below the 60K square Mtrs threshold for contributing toward the stadium. This to me reads as though for the stadium to start, any one building that goes up has to be more than 60k sq mtrs whereas I though it was the total of any developments that may take place had to equal or exceed this figure. ?????

I guess that's why they went for a 42m high unit rather than 18. Twice the amount of storage for roughly the same footprint.

Re: Public Meeting Confirmed for 22nd April - Cats : Mon May 04, 2015 12:06 pm  

Khlav Kalash wrote:

I don't think we'll get anything, however it may stop YC from developing the site further.

This. It's obvious Yorkcourt have no intention of building the ground whatever the outcome, but it will stop them getting rich at our expense. Problem is a very public battle with the council and its planners and a developer won't help us moving forward. Nobody else will touch us with a bargepole in the future. Damned if we do, damned if we don't. I suppose at least we'd go out swinging and with the moral high ground but it's an expensive way of doing it.

Re: Public Meeting Confirmed for 22nd April - Cats : Mon May 04, 2015 12:15 pm  

The more I read on here the more concerned I become that before TRB, IA and sandal cat became involved in this project nobody seems to have had a clue what was going on. I would love to know who agreed to these clauses in the first place because it just does not seem as though they understood the information that was being given to them.

Re: Public Meeting Confirmed for 22nd April - Cats : Mon May 04, 2015 12:40 pm  

sir richard wrote:

But wouldn't that be cutting off our nose to spite the face of Wakefield, because if the development didn't go ahead look at all the jobs that would be lost for the area

I think it's that bit that has lead the council to apparently side with the developer. They have various growth targets set for them by government and i guess Newmarket was a large part of the amount the council had earmarked to be able to hit those figures. They know if Yorkcourt bailed out, which is likely if they are 'forced' to build a stadium, the whole thing stops and not only they are in the shizzle because of that but the whole area suffers as a result with less jobs, less income from the business rates etc etc. All of which doesn't help us get that elusive stadium as i'm sure the next piece of rhetoric that appears from them in the press will be along those lines and i imagine most of the wider Wakefield public would prefer jobs available and lower council tax rises than us having a ground. I can see this getting very messy.

Re: Public Meeting Confirmed for 22nd April - Cats : Mon May 04, 2015 1:15 pm  

LyndsayGill wrote:

The other thing is that he says the size of the development (Newcold) is below the 60K square Mtrs threshold for contributing toward the stadium. This to me reads as though for the stadium to start, any one building that goes up has to be more than 60k sq mtrs whereas I though it was the total of any developments that may take place had to equal or exceed this figure. ?????

The 60,000m2 is a cumulative figure and they know it!

This statement, and others like it from different Council mouthpieces, are just spin statements designed to fog the truth.

They've Fecked Up and they know it, now it's about how they can get themselves out of it without losing face.

As for the 'it's got nothing to do with us' guff, who enforces planning legislation then because if it's not the Council I'm at a loss as to who's responsibility it is!

This is disgraceful and I just wonder if a can of worms lies just beneath the surface we're likely to scratch if this goes further!

Re: Public Meeting Confirmed for 22nd April - Cats : Mon May 04, 2015 1:41 pm  

The Avenger wrote:

The 60,000m2 is a cumulative figure and they know it!

This statement, and others like it from different Council mouthpieces, are just spin statements designed to fog the truth.

They've Fecked Up and they know it, now it's about how they can get themselves out of it without losing face.

As for the 'it's got nothing to do with us' guff, who enforces planning legislation then because if it's not the Council I'm at a loss as to who's responsibility it is!

This is disgraceful and I just wonder if a can of worms lies just beneath the surface we're likely to scratch if this goes further!

This sums it up for me.