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Re: Re: The City of Wakefield Community Stadium : Thu Nov 26, 2015 12:35 pm  
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Except there is a S106 in place!


That only binds Yorkcourt if the council hand over £2 million. The planning obligation is triggered by the council handing over the money. If the council choose not to hand it over, Yorkcourt aren't bound. Yorkcourt can hardly be bound to do something by the planning authority when that obligation is only triggered when that planning authority does something too.

I may be wrong, because I am going on what I read on here, but the sequence is surely this:
1. Yorkcourt sells so many leases, thus triggering their obligations under the unilateral undertaking they freely gave.
2. Yorkcourt say to the council, 'we've done our bit, we are bound by that undertaking, but of course our undertaking was on the proviso that you'd also stump up two million quid. Here are our bank details.'
3. The council say, 'what, you want two million quid? Where's it say that?'
4. 'There, in our undertaking. We've agreed to stump up the cash when you do. We're ready. Cash please.'
5. Council say, 'We're not bound by that undertaking. It's unilateral, by you alone, doesn't bind us. No cash. Soz.'
6. Yorkcourt say, 'Looks like no new stadium then, because our undertaking was conditional.'
7. Council say, 'Lolz. Never mind. Hey, at least Cas get a new stadium. Some mug here decided to bind the council with a two-way agreement so that there was no way round it. PMSL.'
8. Peter Box strolls past the room in a a Cas shirt, whistling contentedly.

Or something.
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Re: Re: The City of Wakefield Community Stadium : Thu Nov 26, 2015 12:49 pm  
Sounds about right does that Slugger to me. The only bit I cannot see is where the council are going to magic 2 million quid from though.
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Re: Re: The City of Wakefield Community Stadium : Thu Nov 26, 2015 12:52 pm  
Slugger McBatt wrote:
That only binds Yorkcourt if the council hand over £2 million. The planning obligation is triggered by the council handing over the money. If the council choose not to hand it over, Yorkcourt aren't bound. Yorkcourt can hardly be bound to do something by the planning authority when that obligation is only triggered when that planning authority does something too.

I may be wrong, because I am going on what I read on here, but the sequence is surely this:
1. Yorkcourt sells so many leases, thus triggering their obligations under the unilateral undertaking they freely gave.
2. Yorkcourt say to the council, 'we've done our bit, we are bound by that undertaking, but of course our undertaking was on the proviso that you'd also stump up two million quid. Here are our bank details.'
3. The council say, 'what, you want two million quid? Where's it say that?'
4. 'There, in our undertaking. We've agreed to stump up the cash when you do. We're ready. Cash please.'
5. Council say, 'We're not bound by that undertaking. It's unilateral, by you alone, doesn't bind us. No cash. Soz.'
6. Yorkcourt say, 'Looks like no new stadium then, because our undertaking was conditional.'
7. Council say, 'Lolz. Never mind. Hey, at least Cas get a new stadium. Some mug here decided to bind the council with a two-way agreement so that there was no way round it. PMSL.'
8. Peter Box strolls past the room in a a Cas shirt, whistling contentedly.

Or something.


It's not my understanding that the S106 is triggered by the £2M payment that's a summation you've made from what you know.

It's always been portrayed that the S106 was in force from day 1 and needed enforcing by the WMDC. The 60,000m2 clause was the trigger for the funding of the stadium to be released along with the £2M from the council.
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Re: Re: The City of Wakefield Community Stadium : Thu Nov 26, 2015 12:56 pm  
Tigerade wrote:
Sounds about right does that Slugger to me. The only bit I cannot see is where the council are going to magic 2 million quid from though.

Out of interest, I know £2m was initially promised to the Cas stadium. Is this still the case?
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Khlav Kalash wrote:
Out of interest, I know £2m was initially promised to the Cas stadium. Is this still the case?


AFAIK - it was promised for the Glasshoughton project (Waystone) but nothing for the new one (Lateral). The 5 Towns Stadium funding plan doesn't rely on government funding.
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HuddsTiger gives a good explanation of the complications here on Casforum:-

http://www.casforum.co.uk/forum/viewtop ... 6&start=45
HuddsTiger gives a good explanation of the complications here on Casforum:-

http://www.casforum.co.uk/forum/viewtop ... 6&start=45
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Tigerade wrote:
HuddsTiger gives a good explanation of the complications here on Casforum:-

http://www.casforum.co.uk/forum/viewtop ... 6&start=45


Apart from the fact that he is wrong when he says that the Council are not party to the UU. They are indeed not a signatory as they have not signed it but if you read it the Council are the beneficiary and the UU is given by the Developer to the Council.

Also the Council have said that the UU is between the developer and the Government and has been signed by the SoS - WRONG AGAIN - there is no signature on the UU from the Government or the SoS.

The Council say its nothing to do with them and its between the Developer and the Club - WRONG AGAIN. The Stadium will be owned by the Stadium Trust and the Club will be a tenant. The matter is between the Developer and the Stadium Trust and the Council.

As the UU was GIVEN to Wakefield MDC then the responsibilty for enforcing the UU lies with the Council as beneficiarty and the Local Planning Authority.
Tigerade wrote:
HuddsTiger gives a good explanation of the complications here on Casforum:-

http://www.casforum.co.uk/forum/viewtop ... 6&start=45


Apart from the fact that he is wrong when he says that the Council are not party to the UU. They are indeed not a signatory as they have not signed it but if you read it the Council are the beneficiary and the UU is given by the Developer to the Council.

Also the Council have said that the UU is between the developer and the Government and has been signed by the SoS - WRONG AGAIN - there is no signature on the UU from the Government or the SoS.

The Council say its nothing to do with them and its between the Developer and the Club - WRONG AGAIN. The Stadium will be owned by the Stadium Trust and the Club will be a tenant. The matter is between the Developer and the Stadium Trust and the Council.

As the UU was GIVEN to Wakefield MDC then the responsibilty for enforcing the UU lies with the Council as beneficiarty and the Local Planning Authority.
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Re: The City of Wakefield Community Stadium : Thu Nov 26, 2015 5:22 pm  
What I can’t understand is why Box is doing nothing to achieve a community facility, but as done everything possible to secure a 12million pound asset for a private company , Cas Tigers
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Re: The City of Wakefield Community Stadium : Thu Nov 26, 2015 5:56 pm  
victarmeldrew wrote:
What I can’t understand is why Box is doing nothing to achieve a community facility, but as done everything possible to secure a 12million pound asset for a private company , Cas Tigers

You really can't understand why?!
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Re: The City of Wakefield Community Stadium : Thu Nov 26, 2015 7:41 pm  
Ok so what are we going to do about the whole bloody mess to me the softly, softly approach isn't working its time to start shouting from the hilltop ,media papers, etc
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