Re: Stadium and other issues : Sun Nov 06, 2022 3:56 pm  

vastman wrote:

It was an odd one this, I've actually posted about this one before, some time back. When I visited JM he was trying to explain the various options and one involved a system used by a football team that looked promising but he couldn't remember the name of the club. I then asked if he meant Maidstone and immediately he said yes.

I'm not talking out of turn as this was a fact finding mission.

What I don't want is anyone to think this is whats happening in any way. All I know is that the people who make the system have looked at BV and I assume it was feasible. No mention of quotes or anything as concrete as that.

The beauty of the system is cost and simplicity, it's as close to a flat pack stand as you can get, and one that actually fits in the limited space. It's relatively cheap. Much of the fittings are above ground meaning minimal foundations. It's basic, though nowhere near as basic as what's there now, but would do the job. It's tried and tested, I think a few have been done this way now.

My guess, in todays money, about 1.5 - 2 million to take it two thirds length as the current terracing roughly sits.

Thanks for that - I'd settle for something like that!

Re: Stadium and other issues : Sun Nov 06, 2022 5:48 pm  

vastman wrote:

It was an odd one this, I've actually posted about this one before, some time back. When I visited JM he was trying to explain the various options and one involved a system used by a football team that looked promising but he couldn't remember the name of the club. I then asked if he meant Maidstone and immediately he said yes.

I'm not talking out of turn as this was a fact finding mission.

What I don't want is anyone to think this is whats happening in any way. All I know is that the people who make the system have looked at BV and I assume it was feasible. No mention of quotes or anything as concrete as that.

The beauty of the system is cost and simplicity, it's as close to a flat pack stand as you can get, and one that actually fits in the limited space. It's relatively cheap. Much of the fittings are above ground meaning minimal foundations. It's basic, though nowhere near as basic as what's there now, but would do the job. It's tried and tested, I think a few have been done this way now.

My guess, in todays money, about 1.5 - 2 million to take it two thirds length as the current terracing roughly sits.

Could it not go all the way Vasty?

Re: Stadium and other issues : Sun Nov 06, 2022 7:14 pm  

vastman wrote:

It was an odd one this, I've actually posted about this one before, some time back. When I visited JM he was trying to explain the various options and one involved a system used by a football team that looked promising but he couldn't remember the name of the club. I then asked if he meant Maidstone and immediately he said yes.

I'm not talking out of turn as this was a fact finding mission.

What I don't want is anyone to think this is whats happening in any way. All I know is that the people who make the system have looked at BV and I assume it was feasible. No mention of quotes or anything as concrete as that.

The beauty of the system is cost and simplicity, it's as close to a flat pack stand as you can get, and one that actually fits in the limited space. It's relatively cheap. Much of the fittings are above ground meaning minimal foundations. It's basic, though nowhere near as basic as what's there now, but would do the job. It's tried and tested, I think a few have been done this way now.

My guess, in todays money, about 1.5 - 2 million to take it two thirds length as the current terracing roughly sits.

All it needs to be. I'd like extra height for the TV camara but then the cost goes up.

Just been looking back on the original deal, seems the estimated build cost for Newmarket were circa £8-13m, well for £1m less then the top of that range we get a stand and some upgrades in other areas of the ground rather than a complete new stadium. That's just shows what's happened with build costs over the past decade or so. So while we all feel short changed, the value of what we are getting isn't too far off, and most expected nothing from the charlatan so credit must go to Minards/Carter for getting the deal they did. Time has screwed us more than anything else

I know that wont wash with those who are too bloody minded to accept reality.

Re: Stadium and other issues : Sun Nov 06, 2022 7:33 pm  

vastman wrote:

It was an odd one this, I've actually posted about this one before, some time back. When I visited JM he was trying to explain the various options and one involved a system used by a football team that looked promising but he couldn't remember the name of the club. I then asked if he meant Maidstone and immediately he said yes.

I'm not talking out of turn as this was a fact finding mission.

What I don't want is anyone to think this is whats happening in any way. All I know is that the people who make the system have looked at BV and I assume it was feasible. No mention of quotes or anything as concrete as that.

The beauty of the system is cost and simplicity, it's as close to a flat pack stand as you can get, and one that actually fits in the limited space. It's relatively cheap. Much of the fittings are above ground meaning minimal foundations. It's basic, though nowhere near as basic as what's there now, but would do the job. It's tried and tested, I think a few have been done this way now.

My guess, in todays money, about 1.5 - 2 million to take it two thirds length as the current terracing roughly sits.

That would be perfect.

Re: Stadium and other issues : Sun Nov 06, 2022 7:36 pm  

Must say
I feel bad the west stand even has to come up, it just looks so utterly terrible though

That mc and Jm have made the east stand happen is utterly incredible

I think it would help if the porta cabins were removed and it was just an open terrace if nothing can be done

We are one of the few clubs that actually owns its own ground and we are getting a new stand it’s amazing truely

Re: Stadium and other issues : Sun Nov 06, 2022 8:11 pm  

I guess if the terracing is sorted this could be an option; https://www.stadiumsolutions.co.uk/ourwork/barrow-afc/

I guess if the terracing is sorted this could be an option; https://www.stadiumsolutions.co.uk/ourwork/barrow-afc/

Re: Stadium and other issues : Sun Nov 06, 2022 8:37 pm  

Khlav Kalash wrote:

All it needs to be. I'd like extra height for the TV camara but then the cost goes up.

Just been looking back on the original deal, seems the estimated build cost for Newmarket were circa £8-13m, well for £1m less then the top of that range we get a stand and some upgrades in other areas of the ground rather than a complete new stadium. That's just shows what's happened with build costs over the past decade or so. So while we all feel short changed, the value of what we are getting isn't too far off, and most expected nothing from the charlatan so credit must go to Minards/Carter for getting the deal they did. Time has screwed us more than anything else

I know that wont wash with those who are too bloody minded to accept reality.

That is the standing terrace, they have a seated equivalent down the side and that has a gantry so it not an issue. Its east tall enough.

Re: Stadium and other issues : Sun Nov 06, 2022 8:46 pm  

musson wrote:

Must say
I feel bad the west stand even has to come up, it just looks so utterly terrible though

That mc and Jm have made the east stand happen is utterly incredible

I think it would help if the porta cabins were removed and it was just an open terrace if nothing can be done

We are one of the few clubs that actually owns its own ground and we are getting a new stand it’s amazing truely

It is a shame but the money simply isn’t there for now.

Its very easy to get Stadium fever, I do. But at the end of the day the rugby comes first. We’ve made a start, a big start, but we need to turn our efforts back to the team.

I’ll happily accept a scruffy west terrace, if nothing else it pees off arrogant Saints fans.

Re: Stadium and other issues : Sun Nov 06, 2022 11:07 pm  

I think one has to consider the work that has been done in the past few years (which included a business destroying pandemic and an economic meltdown) to take ownership of the ground and land and then manage the investment of a huge new stand… upgraded north bank … a new pitch.. new visual system … new floodlighting…

On top of that we have a high performing scholarship and academy set up … a young reserve grade team that made the grand final


If that is a glass that’s half empty … god knows what a half full glass looks like!!

Re: Stadium and other issues : Mon Nov 07, 2022 7:26 am  

Spookisback wrote:

I think one has to consider the work that has been done in the past few years (which included a business destroying pandemic and an economic meltdown) to take ownership of the ground and land and then manage the investment of a huge new stand… upgraded north bank … a new pitch.. new visual system … new floodlighting…

On top of that we have a high performing scholarship and academy set up … a young reserve grade team that made the grand final


If that is a glass that’s half empty … god knows what a half full glass looks like!!

Spot on. I simply can’t believe the progress we’ve made in the last few years. True it’s yet to show on the pitch but off the field it’s immense.

We are fundamentally a different club to what we were five years ago. We now have a pathway to a future instead of being a club waiting for its luck to run out. We’re not there yet but the evidence of a resurgence is visible.

I know a lot of people find MC abrasive and I get it. Sorry if your reading MC, it’s not my opinion but I can’t deny it is the opinion of a lot of people I talk to, and I try not to talk to idiots. However the man had a goal and that was to turn Trinity into a viable entity with a future and imo he has.

I salute that, I admire single minded people. Not all the time and not all of them but I do in this case. I like to think that if I ran the club I’d do the same, but I doubt I would, I’d get carried away. We survived Covid and we still are and I’m not sure any of our previous leaders would have managed that.

JM has bought a lighter touch but the principles are the same.

I can’t read the future, but what I do know is that now we might have one and only five years ago we didn’t.