Re: Belle Vue back on? : Wed Jan 10, 2018 2:45 pm  

Sorry but I can't understand where all the talk of a new build or a redeveloped Belle Vue seemed to have gathered pace. As far as I can tell no firm proposal has been offered or accepted in over 5 years apart from the 106 agreement and we all know how well that went and the H O T that the trust put forward . All I can see is stalling and further stalling . They can offer what they want but will never allow the H O T that we want to happen .
Sorry for the pessimism but Box and Co. won't let it happen. Where we go from he I don't know.

Re: Belle Vue back on? : Wed Jan 10, 2018 3:13 pm  

poplar cats alive wrote:

Sorry but I can't understand where all the talk of a new build or a redeveloped Belle Vue seemed to have gathered pace. As far as I can tell no firm proposal has been offered or accepted in over 5 years apart from the 106 agreement and we all know how well that went and the H O T that the trust put forward . All I can see is stalling and further stalling . They can offer what they want but will never allow the H O T that we want to happen .
Sorry for the pessimism but Box and Co. won't let it happen. Where we go from he I don't know.

It's based on a meeting the club had with the council just before xmas when MC stated that a number of issues had been sorted - it's part of this thread if you want to trawl through it all.

However I get your point and the Trust have been very quiet - so no real mevement yet.

Re: Belle Vue back on? : Wed Jan 10, 2018 3:36 pm  

This isn't a pop at the trust or the club here, but, we all call Wakefield council inept, for an inept council, they and their partners in crime (I use that title loosely) Yorkcourt have done a very good job of backing us up to the cliff edge, is there any way back? I can't honestly see it.

Re: Belle Vue back on? : Wed Jan 10, 2018 4:08 pm  

Statements are all we've heard that's all Box & Co need to do keep us hoping . They're not interested in the stadium they're not under any urgency as we are . One thought how it could be done if we get kicked out of SL and placed in the Championship, MC, CB, walk away, then a little more than a lick of paint will do . The question who could possibly run the club , who has experience . Let's give it little thought oh Rodders or Ted Richardson maybe they were both great when they were here before. Just my thoughts. Sorry hope it all comes off but after so long , do you really still believe?

Re: Belle Vue back on? : Wed Jan 10, 2018 4:12 pm  

King Street Cat wrote:

A stadium right next to the M62, in which a sport is played which is largely concentrated along the M62. It should certainly appeal to the away fans.

It certainly should appeal to the travelling opposition fans, but there is no guarantee it will encourage any increase in their numbers which would compensate for the loss of Wakey fans.

Re: Belle Vue back on? : Wed Jan 10, 2018 5:03 pm  

Jizzer wrote:

The simple fact that it's right next to one of the main corridors that connects some of the 'big' cities in the north - the M62! Also there being enough space to set aside for people to actually park without having to plonk it on some random street, getting in and out would be alot easier too I imagine.

Newmarket is an absolutely fantastic sight for building an industrial estate on, as you have pointed out it's on the M62 corridor servicing all the big northern towns and cities as well as links with other motorways leading to and from the south, is that your basis for a new ground 8 miles to the north of the town.
What about all the fans with no transport who walk to the ground, are they expected to walk up to Bottomboat or rely on the bus company putting extra buses on matchday, as for plonking it on a random street, it's never been a problem before so why turn it into one now other than to suit your opinion.

Jizzer wrote:

Last time I heard, Manni was planning on putting apartment blocks and shops on the site around the proposed new ground. Doesn't leave much space for the ground, let alone access, parking, training pitches, ground expansion etc. Fair enough, the comment about Agbrigg being a dump is mainly cosmetic. However, lets be honest, if you had to choose a place to play every week you'd rather it be Rome than Syria wouldn't you?
We can can cling onto the 'best playing surface in SL' thing all we like, however it doesn't mean a whole lot in the grand scheme of things.

I take with a pinch of salt about whatever I read on here about what this manni's plans are, you mention shops and apartment blocks common sense tells there's not enough room for all the conjecture surrounding what's happening, there's one thing I'm dying to know, why are the council with all their land at their disposal building a new stadium on somebody else's land.

Re: Belle Vue back on? : Wed Jan 10, 2018 5:03 pm  

little wayne69 wrote:

It certainly should appeal to the travelling opposition fans, but there is no guarantee it will encourage any increase in their numbers which would compensate for the loss of Wakey fans.

There's no guarantee it will mean a loss of Wakey fans either. Infact it could open the doors to closet Wakey fans who don't necessarily live in Wakefield but the Wakey post code, and are put off by the state of Belle Vue. I know a few of these.


And just to refer to your last post: it wasn't imagined up on here about Manni's plans to include apartments and shops on the Belle Vue site.

Re: Belle Vue back on? : Wed Jan 10, 2018 5:48 pm  

Jizzer wrote:

There's no guarantee it will mean a loss of Wakey fans either. Infact it could open the doors to closet Wakey fans who don't necessarily live in Wakefield but the Wakey post code, and are put off by the state of Belle Vue. I know a few of these.


And just to refer to your last post: it wasn't imagined up on here about Manni's plans to include apartments and shops on the Belle Vue site.

Also there is no guarantee it will bring in extra fans either, as for additional post presumably you can provide a link to this manni's plans announcement, or is it just speculation like your first paragraph.

Re: Belle Vue back on? : Wed Jan 10, 2018 10:34 pm  

Not convinced that Belle Vue is any more inconveniently sited than Headingley, Halliwell Jones, JJB, new Saints ground, Wheldon Road, Widnes ground, Hull KR ground, KC Stadium. Of those, only Wigan and KC offer parking for your average fans.

Newmarket IS inconveniently sited. If you want to go, you've got to drive. You can't hop on the train or bus, or park and walk (due to the matchday restrictions that would be put in place locally). You'd be stuck with whatever queues exist, and we've seen how that has worked out at Salford. Lower home attendance.

The plus for Newmarket is the clean slate and decent parking for corporate clients, in somewhere new and glittering, and it's in the corporate boxes where you make the money. They're the ones who are throwing in the big money sponsorship deals and paying for the boxes. If the attendance remained the same, the extra corporate income for Newmarket would mean more money for better players, which might then increase attendance for better success, etc. It might have little impact immediately, but in terms of cashflow and money for players, Newmarket is where it was at.

My preference for Belle Vue is emotional only. But then again, that's why you follow a club.

Tricky.

Re: Belle Vue back on? : Wed Jan 10, 2018 11:14 pm  

All the speculation is pointless from the likes of me. I do just wish we would get more updates even if it's just 'still waiting for this or that.' 'Expected news in approximately X ' that sort of thing. We've had big announcements then silence then it's all off again for years now. If this is real now, then updates would b a good idea. Good for season ticket sales too maybe