Re: Is James Elston Pinocchio??? : Tue Dec 28, 2010 12:00 pm  

snowie wrote:

I doubt the present players are privy to all the ins and outs of the running of the ideas of plan B so I wouldn't to too much heed to what is hear say.

ex-players well the grass is always greener on the other side anyway

To be fair snowie, the ones from the current players are about the future of the club as a whole, and their plans after 2011.

Re: Is James Elston Pinocchio??? : Tue Dec 28, 2010 12:01 pm  

Khlav Kalash wrote:

Well NM wasn't going to be ready for the start of the 2012 season regardless of what Pickles decided so a Plan B was still required either way. As a supporter I would love to know what Plan B is however i'm not concerned that it hasn't been revealed. I accept i'm probably in a minority here though.

and the extra delay on NM is probably causing a rethink to the time length at plan B.

I'm am concerned that while Quins and Crusaders can move to other stadiums and get propped up financially we have to go through this crap of fighting for survival, its time to face reality we need to take on the RFL on their under hand ways of restructuring the super league

Re: Is James Elston Pinocchio??? : Tue Dec 28, 2010 12:04 pm  

Tricky2309 wrote:

One final point though TRB, IMO without the detail we don't actually have a Plan B (or at least a viable one that was capable of been announced at the optimum time, ie when news of the PI came out - as others have said, the club would have looked alot better if they were able to announce very quickly after Pickles decision this is Plan B). What I would have expected the club to do was scope out the full arrangements of Plan B, based on the different number of year options required.

You can't sign a deal until you know what it is you're signing for. The timescale for sorting plan B is set by the RFL and the banks etc, not by us, and as such, the club will be well aware of what they need to achieve.

Re: Is James Elston Pinocchio??? : Tue Dec 28, 2010 12:08 pm  

chapster wrote:

To be fair snowie, the ones from the current players are about the future of the club as a whole, and their plans after 2011.

they shouldn't have any problem, they should get their finger out and prove their worth.

if their any good another club will come and snap them up if we go down

Re: Is James Elston Pinocchio??? : Tue Dec 28, 2010 12:10 pm  

TRB wrote:

You can't sign a deal until you know what it is you're signing for. The timescale for sorting plan B is set by the RFL and the banks etc, not by us, and as such, the club will be well aware of what they need to achieve.

we wont know our time scale now Pickles has called it in, its looking at least two seasons away from Wakefield at the least

Re: Is James Elston Pinocchio??? : Tue Dec 28, 2010 12:20 pm  

snowie wrote:

we wont know our time scale now Pickles has called it in, its looking at least two seasons away from Wakefield at the least

someone going to tell me how that makes us sustainable???

simple fact is it doesnt, we dont get enough home support now, we have without doubt the least appealing team i have ever seen for next season, a bit of dewey eyed sentimentalism may get us some big gates towards the end of next year and then a move to out of town??

but for what its worth, in my humble this all began at the end of season 2009 and the rest is just a domino effect, any fool would know that we have to have our biggest drawing team ever in sl for the year(s) we are away for it to work, and yes it is all down to players leaving, with a team playing well with players that would draw fans we could go anywhere, without that, and we are without that,we wouldnt fill the bull ring!

Re: Is James Elston Pinocchio??? : Tue Dec 28, 2010 12:25 pm  

The club should have had plan B.1, plan B.2, plan B.3 etc and plan C!
There are enough of em down there to have had this covered all ways up.
When the decision to go to PI was announced, it should have just been a case of picking which option, dotting the i's and crossing the t's and then announcing it.
That makes it look like they know what they're doing in the eyes of the rfl and in the eyes of the supporters. The fact of the matter is they did not expect the decision to be a negative one (fact) and from minute one they have been like startled rabbits.
Why wait for a shareholders meeting? Shareholders (a small % of all supporters) have never been consulted in anyway before, the need to get a positive message out ASAP to as many as possible was what was needed. The club has failed, because it placed all it eggs in one basket, and didn't give plans B enough consideration.
As ever we are a club without proper direction, the RFL will be glad to see us as the semi proffesional outfit we truly are, in the NL.

Re: Is James Elston Pinocchio??? : Tue Dec 28, 2010 12:25 pm  

altofts wildcat wrote:

If i am being honest, i dont mind waiting to hear about plan B so long as it is a good one. If plan B whatever it may be enables us to remain in super league then i don't care if i dont hear about it until we submit our application so long as it does what it is supposed to do and that is to allow us to remain in our rightful place which is in Super League.

Don't think you will find many outside of Wakey agreeing with you there, especially the likes of Widnes and Fax and co, nobody has a divine right to stop in SL.

Re: Is James Elston Pinocchio??? : Tue Dec 28, 2010 1:06 pm  

TRB wrote:

You can't sign a deal until you know what it is you're signing for. The timescale for sorting plan B is set by the RFL and the banks etc, not by us, and as such, the club will be well aware of what they need to achieve.

No you can't sign the deal, but you can know all the alternatives in advance, so you have a good idea of the cost etc.. of the option you end up going with.

What is the framework agreement? It could be as little as Ted asked Barnsley if we could play there and they said yes in theory and thats as far as it went? So the details would then be very important, such as how much rent they want, what proportion of food and beer money we can have etc...

Re: Is James Elston Pinocchio??? : Tue Dec 28, 2010 1:22 pm  

Tricky2309 wrote:

What is the framework agreement? It could be as little as Ted asked Barnsley if we could play there and they said yes in theory and thats as far as it went? So the details would then be very important, such as how much rent they want, what proportion of food and beer money we can have etc...

I'm bemused as to why "ordinary" fans on here feel that they should be privvy to the agreements being set up by the club!!

Yes, I too am dying to hear some positive news about our future, but I guess it will come with time. I don't subscribe, like the doom-mongers on here, that no news is bad news, nor do I blindly accept that everything is rosy.

What I do know is that there is a correct process to follow..