Re: Sick of the cheap option. : Mon Aug 23, 2010 9:46 pm  

I dont think that Brough leaving was the problem. We played our best 10 minuits of rugby THIS SEASON when he was sin binned away at Hull KR.

The problem for me is the fact that Kear cant seem to inspire the players anymore. We have played well in four games since the catalans link. They were Leeds at Murryfield and Headingley who we always seem to perform against, Quins at home who we always seem to beat at home and Crusaders away wher they had nothing to Loose and i think anybody could have motivated us to play against them. So i think that it is clear that Kear cannot motivate the team and i think that it is because the players know that he wants out. This means that i think it is time to get rid of Kear and bring in a new coach.

As for letting players go, i have a different opinion to most. Players are ambitious and will want to win things and unfortunatly this will probably not happen at wakey so players leaving for bigger clubs who are in the running to win things i don't have a problem with. However players such as Snitch and Fox who have left for clubs of a similar stature to ours is where i have a problem. I think that the club should be able to hold on to these sort of players and i blame the BOD for this.

Re: Sick of the cheap option. : Mon Aug 23, 2010 9:47 pm  

chapster wrote:

actually i disagree, the players like the fans lost faith after the brough debacle, "the best deal for wakefield" etc etc, total crap.

the best deal for wakefield would have benn to sell him pre season, and yes his circumstances were known then.

or not sign newton and or jefferies (3 year deal) and add their salary to broughs, rocket science eh?????????????

That is just not right. The club - as we all wanted - tried to offer Brough a deal to keep him at BV. The deal would have started in 2011 - and it wasn't what Brough wanted, so off he went. If he'd signed we would have still had Jeffries and Newton (ban excepted) and we've have been a better side. At the start of the season it was still felt that we could get him to sign.

There is no rocket science in keeping this club going - just business, and we still have one and stand at the dawn of a bright new tomorrow - but don't let that spoil the wailing and gnashing of teeth!

Re: Sick of the cheap option. : Tue Aug 24, 2010 8:18 am  

Tricky2309 wrote:

The problem is, as has been said before, whilst ever there is a hardcore who will let the club do what they want and make excuses for them, nothing will get done. What we need is all of us as fans to put our individual differences aside and as one voice tell the club enough is enough and changes are required.

Maybe then (and only maybe), might Ted and co actually take some notice.

Who is this hardcore who will let the club do what they want? What action are you suggesting for us all to have 'one voice'? For everybody just to stop going? Not evrybodies position is as black and white as your postings seem to suggest. It's not as simple as for Kear or against Kear or for Ted or against Ted there are many grey areas inbetween and as mentioned above what we as fans can actually do about it.

I guess on here I would be considered pro Kear and the club just because I don't believe that Kear is a double agent sent to destroy us from within! I am very critical of the way the club is run and the amateur set up we have in many areas but as I don't know the ins and outs of the finances of the club and of any potential change in ownership I feel pretty powerless do anything about it save from stop going which doesn't really help in my opinion. As for Kear I would still give him next season to try and sort it out I still believe he has earnt that right. However I do understand why people have decided that enough is enough this season as the performances have been terrible and therefore I could understand if Kear was replaced at the end of the season. My only problem with this for me is back to Ted and co and do I trust them to make the right appointment and I don't I just know they will go for the cheapest option possible which could make things even worse, though I accept it couldn't get much worse! So the problem again comes to the ownership of the club but as I say above what are the alternatives and waht can we do about it?

The other thing is it's easy to have snide digs at Vastman for only coming on when things are going well but I'd take one Vastman over the scores of folk that only come on when things are going badly and seem to actually enjoy sticking the boot and I sense want us to lose so they can come on and bitch and moan about how terrible things are. If you think I have any wish to stand side by side and have one voice with such people then you are sadly mistaken.

Re: Sick of the cheap option. : Tue Aug 24, 2010 8:42 am  

J.T wrote:

Who is this hardcore who will let the club do what they want? What action are you suggesting for us all to have 'one voice'? For everybody just to stop going? Not evrybodies position is as black and white as your postings seem to suggest. It's not as simple as for Kear or against Kear or for Ted or against Ted there are many grey areas inbetween and as mentioned above what we as fans can actually do about it.

I guess on here I would be considered pro Kear and the club just because I don't believe that Kear is a double agent sent to destroy us from within! I am very critical of the way the club is run and the amateur set up we have in many areas but as I don't know the ins and outs of the finances of the club and of any potential change in ownership I feel pretty powerless do anything about it save from stop going which doesn't really help in my opinion. As for Kear I would still give him next season to try and sort it out I still believe he has earnt that right. However I do understand why people have decided that enough is enough this season as the performances have been terrible and therefore I could understand if Kear was replaced at the end of the season. My only problem with this for me is back to Ted and co and do I trust them to make the right appointment and I don't I just know they will go for the cheapest option possible which could make things even worse, though I accept it couldn't get much worse! So the problem again comes to the ownership of the club but as I say above what are the alternatives and waht can we do about it?

The other thing is it's easy to have snide digs at Vastman for only coming on when things are going well but I'd take one Vastman over the scores of folk that only come on when things are going badly and seem to actually enjoy sticking the boot and I sense want us to lose so they can come on and bitch and moan about how terrible things are. If you think I have any wish to stand side by side and have one voice with such people then you are sadly mistaken.

Re: Sick of the cheap option. : Tue Aug 24, 2010 8:43 am  

J.T wrote:

Who is this hardcore who will let the club do what they want? What action are you suggesting for us all to have 'one voice'? For everybody just to stop going? Not evrybodies position is as black and white as your postings seem to suggest. It's not as simple as for Kear or against Kear or for Ted or against Ted there are many grey areas inbetween and as mentioned above what we as fans can actually do about it.

I guess on here I would be considered pro Kear and the club just because I don't believe that Kear is a double agent sent to destroy us from within! I am very critical of the way the club is run and the amateur set up we have in many areas but as I don't know the ins and outs of the finances of the club and of any potential change in ownership I feel pretty powerless do anything about it save from stop going which doesn't really help in my opinion. As for Kear I would still give him next season to try and sort it out I still believe he has earnt that right. However I do understand why people have decided that enough is enough this season as the performances have been terrible and therefore I could understand if Kear was replaced at the end of the season. My only problem with this for me is back to Ted and co and do I trust them to make the right appointment and I don't I just know they will go for the cheapest option possible which could make things even worse, though I accept it couldn't get much worse! So the problem again comes to the ownership of the club but as I say above what are the alternatives and waht can we do about it?

The other thing is it's easy to have snide digs at Vastman for only coming on when things are going well but I'd take one Vastman over the scores of folk that only come on when things are going badly and seem to actually enjoy sticking the boot and I sense want us to lose so they can come on and bitch and moan about how terrible things are. If you think I have any wish to stand side by side and have one voice with such people then you are sadly mistaken.

Could not agree with you more, especially the bottom part.

Re: Sick of the cheap option. : Tue Aug 24, 2010 8:48 am  

John Kear is still in my opinion doing what he can with what he has. [/quote]

No he bloody well IS NOT !!!

Re: Sick of the cheap option. : Tue Aug 24, 2010 8:54 am  

For me JK has lost the plot. Poor signings, poor team selection, poor interchange options and no sign of any real improvement for several weeks now.

Since the Catalans job fell through things have gone from bad to worse. Not sure if his heart is in it anymore (i do have some sympathy with him if this is the case) but it would appear the players either don't care, can't be bothered or simply do not want to play for JK anymore.

Makes you wonder if the coaching staff and players know something us fans do not as things are not right at the club and IMHO something is badly wrong or clearly going on behind the scenes.

Either way, it needs sorting and fast before the start of next season.

IMHO - Kear and current coaching setup out - new coaching setting up and fresh start for next season with a new man at the helm with new ideas.

Powell at Fev would be my choice. Done wonders at Fev with limited squad on small budget. Getting best out of them week in week out and knows the NF1, just incase (:

Re: Sick of the cheap option. : Tue Aug 24, 2010 9:03 am  

To go back to the title of the thread 'sick of the cheap option' - well who isn't? All trinity fans under retirement age have only ever known a club sustained by buying or recruiting at the cheap end - and in the best case senario selling after we have added value to the player in order to keep the club afloat.

Higher ambitions are held by all, I believe, but the capacity to put them into practice depend upon a couple of factors referred to above; a high level of spending by a small number of wealthy supporters or a low level of spending by about 10k supporters (fans).

The Ted knockers seem to loose sight of the fact that, in the absence of either of the above, he has subsidised your leisure activity year on year on year. If you think the ticket price is the actual cost of putting on the product that you 'enjoy' on a Sunday you are living in cuckoo land. What the present BOD have achieved in the past 10 years is, in busines terms remarkable. With probably the smallest turnover of any of our competitors we have over a 15 year period turned ourselves from easy beats on the verge of financial meltdown to a solid mid to higher table club - occassionally punching above that (as last year) and occasionally pubching below that (this year).

Remember that over the 15 year period in question WTRLFC have for the majority of the time come to this stage in the season still in with a chance of finishing in a spot that would have (in the old day) resulted in relegation.

Talk of wanting an investor to come in is fanciful nonesense. Investers expect a financial return - sports clubs only deliver this in the tiny minority of cases. What we want is someone to spend money on our club, a wealthy supporter looking for a play thing, an ego enhancer - ask yourself seriously would you use WTRLFTC in that fashion if you were not a supporter?

Im not praising the product on the field, far from it, but this season the circumstances have transpired against us (Newton, Tronc, Brough). Could we have been more proactive to prevent this - frankly I don't know.

Im not seeking to disrespect the views of the knockers as I think the opinions are valid and many of them I agree with. BUT to divorce these opinions from the longer term and wider view do the BOD a disservice. Reading the negative posts on this thread is a bit like listening to a house hunting couple on minnimum wage argue about why the ex council house they have just viewed isn't as good as the semi their mates live in rural North Yorkshire.

Re: Sick of the cheap option. : Tue Aug 24, 2010 9:20 am  

PopTart wrote:

John Kear is still in my opinion doing what he can with what he has. I'm sure he'd like to go sign Brent Pinch or Sam Friday for that matter... but he can't so we will get Charlie and Rinaldi and make the best if it.

totally agree on this,

kear will do what he can and in the best possible way with what money is made available to him, I know this season has being a disaster but what a side he put together to start the season, easily the best team we've had a BV in the SL era and i think the amount of wins we picked up inthe first 1/3 of the season shows that

If more money could be made available to JK the signings would be of much better quality, at the mo what else all he can do other than take calculated risks on projects and cast off and begin building up his team again plus in the background there is the will we wont we geta franchise,

In kear i trust 100%

[PopTart]

Re: Sick of the cheap option. : Tue Aug 24, 2010 9:33 am  

bren2k wrote:

More supporters than this club deserves do put their money in, and the BoD persists in doing nothing to persuade any more of them to get on board. The club is run in an amateurish, half-arsed way and blaming the public for refusing to support that is just daft; in my circle of friends, there are at least 8 people who were die-hard fans but who've given up after years of frustration.

I admire your loyalty but sometimes, the type of apologism that you peddle is part of the problem; so long as fans like you are prepared to accept the corner-shop approach that keeps Ted and co in jobs they couldn't get anywhere else and WTW in the doldrums, then there's no imperative for them to do any better.

The problem for me personally on this is that 1) I want to watch Wakefield and will watch them no matter what division they are in 2) I'm not in a position to influence the way the club is run.
Because of the large amount of "sack the BoD, sack JK, Sack everybody" posts I think I get defensive as I don't think that is the way forward......however, I would support anyone who had a plan to take us forward, especially if it did not involve the Richardsons. The problem is there is no one there to do it so I have to put up with it.

If anyone can show me a way to change things I'll support them, BUT it can't just be sack someone and then see what happens.