Re: Ben Jeffries : Mon Feb 08, 2010 8:18 pm  

to be fair vasty no one has every doubted the on form bj was great, but he was in his first spell here the most inconsistant player i have ever seen, basically there was no grey he was either great or invisible.

we all saw the games, we all form opinions, and of course, we are all right!

Re: Ben Jeffries : Mon Feb 08, 2010 8:30 pm  

vastman wrote:

I have always rated BJ. I thought he was one of our best when he left and thought him a good buy when he returned. Thus he has nothing to prove to me. We don't suddenly have a better BJ, he was always the player he is now IMO with a little added experience and maturity. What is different this time is he is in a better team.

BJ to anyone with a brain was always going to be a good buy, no holding judgment or silly quips about the CCup required. I always knew we were on a winner with this one - not because I think he is the best H/B in the game or a player without any flaws - because he suits us and he suit JK and the team. We will injuries permitting get 2-3 good years out of this fella, what more do you want. Whether we win some silverware is a team issue not the responsibility of any one player.

OK

well he has a lot to prove to me mr clever cloggs and i will reserve judgement until he has played a full season and not gone missing for half of it. unlike you i was not overly impressed with many of BJ's performances when he was last here. having ability and putting in decent performances are 2 completely different things.
and as for being onto a winner you are talking after us being 2 games in, where's the 'winner' proof then? what you gonna be saying if he goes missing for the next ten games?

Re: Ben Jeffries : Mon Feb 08, 2010 8:33 pm  

chapster wrote:

to be fair vasty no one has every doubted the on form bj was great, but he was in his first spell here the most inconsistant player i have ever seen, basically there was no grey he was either great or invisible.

we all saw the games, we all form opinions, and of course, we are all right!

I'll put it this way. Under JK we have become quite used to being in contention for the top 6/8. We are almost expect to have point in the bag after the first few games.

No that long ago I remember us not having 4 points in the bag halfway through the season,

This with the exception of 2004 were the inconsistent teams BJ played in. IMHO all things are relative.

The team BJ finds himself in now is a whole different animal. BJ will still have off games but because others are there to take the strain we hopefully will not even notice. This is the same way Price gets away with it at Saints, some games he is invisible but he is still a start and still a player you would want. BJ will enjoy life IMO more at BV than he did last time because not all hope rest on him, when he slips Brough, Obst, Morrison or any number of others will hopefully take the strain. No more having to carry most the burden whilst trying to work miracles in some fairly ordinary teams. Even 2004 was a bit of a fluke. If he was inconsistent he was the norm for some very inconsistent teams, how inconsistent was Solomona, but he somehow got away with it.

Hope that clears it up, and I hope all the players get the support they deserve.

Re: Ben Jeffries : Mon Feb 08, 2010 8:35 pm  

Schunter wrote:

well he has a lot to prove to me mr clever cloggs and i will reserve judgement until he has played a full season and not gone missing for half of it. unlike you i was not overly impressed with many of BJ's performances when he was last here. having ability and putting in decent performances are 2 completely different things.
and as for being onto a winner you are talking after us being 2 games in, where's the 'winner' proof then? what you gonna be saying if he goes missing for the next ten games?

I don't have to prove you wrong and you can reserve all the judgment you want, I tend to think being positive in the way you support the team is key but hey

Re: Ben Jeffries : Mon Feb 08, 2010 11:51 pm  

vastman wrote:

I don't have to prove you wrong and you can reserve all the judgment you want, I tend to think being positive in the way you support the team is key but hey

agree

Re: Ben Jeffries : Tue Feb 09, 2010 12:00 am  

vastman wrote:

He was always a good committed player, any goon could see that. Two years at Bradford and a bit of maturity has just added the final touch. Stop trying to wriggle out of it and just admit you were wrong.

Nope I went to plenty of games where Bj's heart wasn't in it when it has been he is a good player. This is the same guy calling me a goon who thinks Bibb would be a star ha ha KEar obviously thinks not rather playing Hendo as a prop on Sunday. People don't listen to the fatman he knows nothing.

Re: Ben Jeffries : Tue Feb 09, 2010 12:04 am  

Also I remember Kear dropping Jeffries in his last season for us and nobody was bothered and we played well so JK knew BJ as a inconsistent player end of the day . A sharp/fit trying jefferies is a very good player its the otherside I don't want to see. Jeffries had the ability every 1 in 4 games to rip teams apart and I mean that !

Re: Ben Jeffries : Tue Feb 09, 2010 7:16 am  

newgroundb4cas wrote:

Nope I went to plenty of games where Bj's heart wasn't in it when it has been he is a good player. This is the same guy calling me a goon who thinks Bibb would be a star ha ha KEar obviously thinks not rather playing Hendo as a prop on Sunday. People don't listen to the fatman he knows nothing.

Bibbs not 100% fit.

Re: Ben Jeffries : Tue Feb 09, 2010 7:46 am  

newgroundb4cas wrote:

A sharp/fit trying jefferies is a very good player its the otherside I don't want to see. Jeffries had the ability every 1 in 4 games to rip teams apart and I mean that !

Thats it then, according to that BJ will play crap for the next 6 games the anti Jeffries brigade will have a right few field days now

Re: Ben Jeffries : Tue Feb 09, 2010 8:10 am  

newgroundb4cas wrote:

Jeffries had the ability every 1 in 4 games to rip teams apart and I mean that !

I think the thing is, a player like jeffries needs a good pack to work with. Often in his first spell at wakefield the forwards were not dominant and hence it was difficult for him to play his natural game as he rarely had the platform to do this.

This year we have a very good pack and i would think that he will be a lot more consistent and he's shown in the first couple of games how well he can play, hopefully he can carry it on.