Re: Public Meeting Confirmed for 22nd April - Cats : Fri May 01, 2015 1:33 pm  

Sorry if I have missed this somewhere but where are the stadium trusts figureheads in all this, I'm thinking Sir Rodney Walker and David Hinchliffe? Are they no longer longer involved if so why not? Or if they are why are they not using their considerable influence to try and push things along? I would have thought that to make any headway they have to be involved and in a big way as they know how the system works. Please don't take this as a pop at the rest of the guys involved, they are doing some good hard yards here but why is the chairman or the former MP around election time not making the statements and leaning on the politicians? Does Sir Rodney still have his own political ambitions and not want to be involved? He always fancied the house of Lords but that might have changed after all this time. If he could get himself in there then it could be a boon to the process. Is David still involved?

Re: Public Meeting Confirmed for 22nd April - Cats : Fri May 01, 2015 1:45 pm  

sixtogo wrote:

Sorry if I have missed this somewhere but where are the stadium trusts figureheads in all this, I'm thinking Sir Rodney Walker and David Hinchliffe? Are they no longer longer involved if so why not? Or if they are why are they not using their considerable influence to try and push things along? I would have thought that to make any headway they have to be involved and in a big way as they know how the system works. Please don't take this as a pop at the rest of the guys involved, they are doing some good hard yards here but why is the chairman or the former MP around election time not making the statements and leaning on the politicians? Does Sir Rodney still have his own political ambitions and not want to be involved? He always fancied the house of Lords but that might have changed after all this time. If he could get himself in there then it could be a boon to the process. Is David still involved?

Both are still involved and operating actively in their own circles to further our cause. I have no complaint about either of them or their efforts, nor would I wish for them to be involved in our public campaign at this time.

Re: Public Meeting Confirmed for 22nd April - Cats : Fri May 01, 2015 1:49 pm  

Does the SoS Officialy know what's gone on here?

Is he aware that the S106 Disagregation clause has been disregarded by the WMDC Planning Department

Can someone clarify once and for all, is this blatant disregard illegal?

Have we sought to find out who took the decision to pass the Newcold planning application, who instructed the Planning Officer to pass it with no questions asked was Box involved, was it his decision?

Heads should roll for this

Re: Public Meeting Confirmed for 22nd April - Cats : Fri May 01, 2015 1:58 pm  

The Avenger wrote:

Does the SoS Officialy know what's gone on here?

Is he aware that the S106 Disagregation clause has been disregarded by the WMDC Planning Department

Can someone clarify once and for all, is this blatant disregard illegal?

Have we sought to find out who took the decision to pass the Newcold planning application, who instructed the Planning Officer to pass it with no questions asked was Box involved, was it his decision?

Heads should roll for this

Contact with the SoS will happen after the GE.

Has anything illegal happened, we don't fully know and will be asking others more qualified that question. Has anything immoral happened, yes, without any doubt from this side.

The final part of the question is very complicated and involves many elements, but the planning officer can only recommend - it is the planning committee who have the final say. Now whether they knew all the details about the consequences of what they were doing.....?

Re: Public Meeting Confirmed for 22nd April - Cats : Fri May 01, 2015 2:05 pm  

WMDC had a perfect opportunity to gain fantastic facilities, much needed sporting facilities, for the City of Wakefield for a very minimal cost of £2m pounds - and its unlikely this would have needed to be in the form of cash. The S106 was designed as a 'softener' for allowing the re-designation and development of an area of land.
Why have they let this go? - they knew right from the start that it would never come off. That is why they have discreetly distanced themselves from the S106 right from the start, not being a signatory to it so they later have the current cop out that they are now shoving in front of us, but allowing, and positively going along with the sham that this development would come off - their name is all over it, even though they never added their signature to it. Thereby, conning everyone that this was a realistic proposal for providing desperately need facilities for the citizens of Wakefield. Out of this, they got approval for a development that would have had a serious struggle without the support that the community facilities and the stadium in particular provided to the application. WMDC and its Labour leaders duped us, knowing that it didn't stand a chance in hell of coming off. That s a pretty mean and cynical way to treat your constituents - shameful in fact.
The fact that a development business will come out of this pretty well just adds to the disgrace and give the whole shambolic scenario a very nasty smell.
I doubt very much that the same attitude will prevail should the opportunity to provide similar community facilities in Castleford arise. There was never any way that a new stadium would be permitted in Wakefield, before Castleford with the current cabal in charge.
Lets face it - the Wakefield district will only get one new stadium and that will be in Castleford.

Re: Public Meeting Confirmed for 22nd April - Cats : Fri May 01, 2015 2:30 pm  

I have always thought there would only ever be one stadium built in the area, this delay has enabled the Cas scheme to come up on the rails and if/when the s.o.s. passes it after the election then they will overtake us and disappear off into the distance. And that will be the final nail going in the coffin.

What is the time frame now? I guess wait and see the outcome of the election and see if those in power can make any progress over a couple of months or so. If not then it the s.o.s. and see what he has to say. And then i guess its taking it to court if the legal eagles thinks there is a case. As has been said previously i doubt it will persuade Yorkcourt to get building either way but i guess we will have a clearer picture by the end of the season.

Re: Public Meeting Confirmed for 22nd April - Cats : Fri May 01, 2015 2:42 pm  

TRB wrote:

Contact with the SoS will happen after the GE.

Has anything illegal happened, we don't fully know and will be asking others more qualified that question. Has anything immoral happened, yes, without any doubt from this side.

The final part of the question is very complicated and involves many elements, but the planning officer can only recommend - it is the planning committee who have the final say. Now whether they knew all the details about the consequences of what they were doing.....?

The nub of my questions is driving at the why. . . why would someone calculatingly instruct a planning officer to recommend approval or mislead a committee through the omission of details in order to get this Newcold building passed? Who could do it? What's in it for them?

What's needed is information, information like the name of the Legal company the Council took advice from, we need to catch them in a lie and turn up the heat to get to the truth.

Re: Public Meeting Confirmed for 22nd April - Cats : Fri May 01, 2015 2:49 pm  

The Avenger wrote:

The nub of my questions is driving at the why. . . why would someone calculatingly instruct a planning officer to recommend approval or mislead a committee through the omission of details in order to get this Newcold building passed? Who could do it? What's in it for them?

What's needed is information, information like the name of the Legal company the Council took advice from, we need to catch them in a lie and turn up the heat to get to the truth.

There has only got to be one answer for me - the first (only?) new stadium in the district will be in Castleford. The question is - has there been anything illegal in making this happen, or are they just conniving, slimy, greasy articles who have no regard for their public and are only there for their own ends.

Re: Public Meeting Confirmed for 22nd April - Cats : Fri May 01, 2015 3:00 pm  

The Avenger wrote:

The nub of my questions is driving at the why. . . why would someone calculatingly instruct a planning officer to recommend approval or mislead a committee through the omission of details in order to get this Newcold building passed? Who could do it? What's in it for them?

What's needed is information, information like the name of the Legal company the Council took advice from, we need to catch them in a lie and turn up the heat to get to the truth.

We asked under the Freedom of Information Act to see the legal advice but the Council whist saying that they took legal advice informed us that they do not hold the advice so are unable to supply it. Read into that what you will. I know what I think but cannot say on here.

Re: Public Meeting Confirmed for 22nd April - Cats : Fri May 01, 2015 3:56 pm  

Sandal Cat wrote:

We asked under the Freedom of Information Act to see the legal advice but the Council whist saying that they took legal advice informed us that they do not hold the advice so are unable to supply it. Read into that what you will. I know what I think but cannot say on here.

As someone else said on here earlier, there must be a paper trail an invoice or something, that's if it ever happened