Re: Disappointed isn't the word!!! : Wed Dec 15, 2010 11:05 am  

Riggins wrote:

Did Santa drop of your rose tinted glasses early or have we been having a little christmas drink too early??

You keep trying to tell yourself that Wakey still have a better application than Cas. Full planning permission will go in by next week for the Glasshougton site, not outline PP. Money is in place and the project is ready to go. I can not honestly believe that you think Wakey have the best application after yesterday's news.

I personally think that both clubs are in the same position as each other, they have just placed a different spin on it. We kept hearing that one club was in a better position than the other. Depends how you spin it, but both clubs are still in jeopardy. Us, because of yesterday's outcome and Cas still having a funding issue, if they didn't then surely they would be pushing on like Salford are.

You can have full planning permission but unfortunately that does build the stadium, the money to pay for it, that's what gets it built.

As far as who is directly to blame for our current problem, the buck stops with the people running our club. When we were promoted to Super League promises were made to update Belle Vue, this never happened (except for the Butlins building). This outcome is not a problem that has appeared in the last year or so. The club were aware of the need for better facilities. Whether the franchise system had come in or not, improvements / modernisation would still have been required.

Plan B, better tick all the boxes or Wakefield Trinity will no longer exist in it's current form.

Re: Disappointed isn't the word!!! : Wed Dec 15, 2010 11:10 am  

Will Plan B be enough to save Wakey in SL if their is actually one to build on? You can't give a gurantee for how long it will be for 1 year - forseeable future. Is there enough time (roughly 4 months) to put a bid in place based on Oakwell if that does go through? For Cas at least the stadium is effectively in their own hands and they have a stadium to play in post 2011. The worrying thing for Wakey seem's to be is their is a huge ? for where they will play in 2012 never mind afterwards and atm it's all reliant on other people?

Re: Disappointed isn't the word!!! : Wed Dec 15, 2010 11:16 am  

I think you ought to let York court get on with the public enquiry now and the club and fans should concentrate on finding a backer, because all this talk of Barnsley is useless without the stability of a new chairman backer.
We all know Ted needs to step aside and lets face it any franchise application that you submit will be viewed as hollow with out the seal of a new backer. I say this because the RFL may take the view that they can not judge your ability to stay in business or stick to a business plan that is prepared by the club as it stands now.
The club have no real assets in fact they have sold their assets to continue trading, without these and the input from your chairman it would already seem a difficult job to stay afloat, this coupled with a move to Barnsley and the cost this would incur and probable drop in income leave your business plan looking very shaky.

I know some people say you may gain some support in Barnsley, but you have to remember that it will be viewed as a short stop gap arrangement which is not the foundation for building a new support base. You would be in affect only be ""using Barnsley as a stepping stone to building something better in Wakefield, I cant see the parochial locals having that. Then theirs the fact that you can not even build extra support in your own city, so how you think you will do it in another Every aspect or your club will take a hit in Barnsley so you will not be able to afford to put on the deals or give away tickets to entice people in. You will find it difficult to break into schools and the community due to the short term nature of your investment into the town.

So to think your in a better position than Cas is fantasy, I would be very surprised if you could afford to move to Barnsley without a new backer. Your business plan will just not stack up.

You need a new backer with a new business plan and a bloody good one at that or your chances are slim.

Also take every thing the club say with caution, they are unlikely to give out the real facts of your situation, as their last hope is that people keep buying into the dream, in fact they need people to buy into the Wildcats like never before. Remember Dianne making a statement about how you did not really owe the take money and that it was a mistake, only for Sir Rodney to pay it off. I will add I do not blame them from sparing supporters the truth as they are trying to keep what support they have so that you keep spending your money while they find some miracle cure (newmarket) to the clubs ills.

Re: Disappointed isn't the word!!! : Wed Dec 15, 2010 11:18 am  

Speedy wrote:

You said Cas were fractionally better off than wake didnt you, i asked the question what do you own ? Am mi not allowed to ask that ?

Go on what do WTW own ?

Are you being intentionally thick or is this genuinely your level of intelligence!

When I said Castleford are fractionally better off than Wakefield it was in terms of their position regarding the stadium and nothing to do with the monetary value of any assets owned by the club. Try using a little context when reading and writing it will help your understanding of the issues being discussed.

Re: Disappointed isn't the word!!! : Wed Dec 15, 2010 11:24 am  

The Clan wrote:

Are you being intentionally thick or is this genuinely your level of intelligence!

When I said Castleford are fractionally better off than Wakefield it was in terms of their position regarding the stadium and nothing to do with the monetary value of any assets owned by the club. Try using a little context when reading and writing it will help your understanding of the issues being discussed.

Well if we are into slagging off, lets have a go eh,

I asked a simple question, obviously to a simple person

Nothing to do with Cas or anything else....

My question is What Do WTW Actually Own ?

Simple question for a simpleton eh

Re: Disappointed isn't the word!!! : Wed Dec 15, 2010 11:31 am  

Speedy wrote:

Well if we are into slagging off, lets have a go eh,

I asked a simple question, obviously to a simple person

Nothiong to do with Cas or anything else....

My question is What Do WTW Actually Own ?

Simple question for a simpleton eh

OK, the point that it has absolutely no relevance to the issue is obviously beyond your understanding but nevertheless. . .

At this moment in time Wakefield Trinity still own Belle Vue, they have received a significant down payment from a developer who wishes to buy the stadium when Wakefield vacate it but until the transaction is complete ownership of the ground remains with the club.

It is also my understanding that the club owns a number of houses in and around the Wakefield district although I don't know the specifics of this.

As for any other assets there may be some there may not!

Re: Disappointed isn't the word!!! : Wed Dec 15, 2010 11:32 am  

The Clan wrote:

Had Steve O'Conner not been around to rescue Widnes they may have been another traditionally successful and historic club to have been destroyed by this ridiculous process.

Widnes, like Halifax/Doncaster/Oldham etc, went to the brink not because of franchising, but owners overspending to try get into Super League - they did that with P&R and without it. Franchising is a smokescreen for sports clubs not being able to live within their means.

Re: Disappointed isn't the word!!! : Wed Dec 15, 2010 12:07 pm  

The Clan wrote:

OK, the point that it has absolutely no relevance to the issue is obviously beyond your understanding but nevertheless. . .

At this moment in time Wakefield Trinity still own Belle Vue, they have received a significant down payment from a developer who wishes to buy the stadium when Wakefield vacate it but until the transaction is complete ownership of the ground remains with the club.

It is also my understanding that the club owns a number of houses in and around the Wakefield district although I don't know the specifics of this.

As for any other assets there may be some there may not!

Here you go again, beyiond my understanding...... what a EDIT TRB you really are

If the polecat stadium is still owned by the club, why do you have to move out after this year?

As for Cas being fractionally ahead, well you are suffering from delusions of grandeur pal
The Outline Planning Permission is no longer in force; it is suspended due to it being called in. Yorkcourt or anyone else cannot even turn a grass sod on the area in question, Unlike the Outline Planning Permission given to Cas, work has been done the area in question, where work has been done on the plateau. Full Planning permission application will be going by the end on next week at the latest (I was told that personally by a councillor last night) So on the ground issue Cas are quite a bit in front of the polecats in that instance.

As for your plan B, A lot of you seem to be in the opinion that you are moving to Oakwell, Have the club actually talked to the Barnsley Council about this move, or even the tenants Barnsley FC, because if you talk to their fans, the majority don’t even know about this? If you do play out of Oakwell, have you got any ideas of what it will cost in rent? How many of your fans will travel to Barnsley given that your numbers have fallen significantly at BV ?

Oh forgot, you do own a blow up polecat

Re: Disappointed isn't the word!!! : Wed Dec 15, 2010 12:37 pm  

Speedy wrote:

Well if we are into slagging off, lets have a go eh,

I asked a simple question, obviously to a simple person

Nothing to do with Cas or anything else....

My question is What Do WTW Actually Own ?

Simple question for a simpleton eh

Answer is simple, nowt!
Question to you, what do we need to own?
It seems to me 1/2 of SL clubs own nowt!
We are missing at this moment one thing, permission. This is gettable, but it does seem unlikely that we will get it in time. Everything else is in place.
Cas however don't as yet have full PP, however they are confident it will come this week, we shall see. Then there's the money, part of which is reliant on the saleable value of W Road. Big question mark, I think/ hope they have other income to replace that lost by land depreciation. Again time will tell, bit I don't see it much either way still, although we have deffo took a step back.
Is it beyond the realms of fantasy that SoS could give the go ahead for NM sooner than we expect given assurances from YK and WTW or is it deffo gonna be about a year?

Re: Disappointed isn't the word!!! : Wed Dec 15, 2010 12:38 pm  

Speedy how many Barnsley fans have you spoken too other than the few that have posted on their forum? If the club told everyone about everything there wouldn't be enough time and the fact that this has been mentioned on the board a few times just shows peoples selective memories.