: Mon Apr 20, 2009 6:51 pm  

Rodney Walker says the land is classified as green belt and the stadium will more than likely be pulled in by the goverment because of this which would delay the building. I dont understand what you are saying snowie??

: Mon Apr 20, 2009 6:59 pm  

Wakefield No 1 wrote:

Rodney Walker says the land is classified as green belt and the stadium will more than likely be pulled in by the goverment because of this which would delay the building. I dont understand what you are saying snowie??

it used to be a pit and the surrounding area had its effects of the industry, since it was shut, capped and leveled it has been left to develop into green land over the 20 odd years, its not like its been green land since the time began, put this way would bradford if the could be allowed to put a community stadium on Ilkley moor so where does green start and stop

: Mon Apr 20, 2009 7:03 pm  

snowie wrote:

it used to be a pit and the surrounding area had its effects of the industry, since it was shut, capped and leveled it has been left to develop into green land over the 20 odd years, its not like its been green land since the time began, put this way would bradford if the could be allowed to put a community stadium on Ilkley moor so where does green start and stop

I know it used to be a pit and to me and you it doesnt look like a green haven but unfortunatly the government have classifiedit as green belt. Looking at the site and its former use I cant see them having a objection to what we are planning BUT they will delay the plans should it be called in by the government which nearly every green belt planned developments are..

: Mon Apr 20, 2009 7:07 pm  

Wakefield No 1 wrote:

I know it used to be a pit and to me and you it doesnt look like a green haven but unfortunatly the government have classifiedit as green belt. Looking at the site and its former use I cant see them having a objection to what we are planning BUT they will delay the plans should it be called in by the government which nearly every green belt planned developments are..

benefits are employment would receive a much needed boost in the making of it

: Mon Apr 20, 2009 7:15 pm  

Slugger McBatt wrote:

I agree. It would be Gateshead and Sheffield all over again, as it would become a Wakefield club. I disagree with the view expressed before that the area couldn't support 2 stadia. It has done for many decades, and any new stadia would have different catchments for the corporate stuff. Cas would cast their net York and Selby way, and we would look to Wakefield. If corporate attractability becomes the criteria, then maybe the game really would have lost its soul.

I didn't claim it couldn't support 2 stadia, I merely commented that from a development point of view, why spend twice the cash on 2 similar projects within 1 district when 1 "could" suffice.
I am beggining to think that this choice of site, has significance for getting the two clubs into 1 stadium, if it's the only way forward as far as SL franchises go, then I suppose it makes sence, but I fear another more worrying agenda would only be around the corner.

: Mon Apr 20, 2009 7:20 pm  

Green belt land can be previously developed land (I think 'virgin' land is known as green field). As I understand it councils can redesignate land according to their overall needs, but I'm guessing as the government set the criteria for this decisions are subject to their apporval.

I suppose the bigger concern isn't just the site itself, but the impact it has on the wider area, e.g. access, traffic, views, etc. However as pointed out, we aren't talking ancient woodland or an area of outstanding natural beauty here. I'd like to think that the experience of the developers, council etc combined is a sound guide that they think it is a fair proposal. There was also one quote from someone in the paper eco-type (friends of Stanley Marsh) that approved.

With some irony, I mention that one of the purposes of greenbelt is to prevent neighbouring towns merging into each other.

: Mon Apr 20, 2009 7:45 pm  

The site is Green Belt. Land that has not been previously developed is classified as Greenfield. The pit site has been previously developed and therefore is Brownfield, however the Local Authority will have classified the land following the closure of the pit as Green Belt, that is land on which they do not intend development to take place. I think Glasshoughton was also Green Belt but when proposals for a mixed use scheme was proposed the land was reclassified for the development we see now.

As Green Belt any proposals for any development will automatically will be "called in" by Government Office. Don't panic by that, GO will decide whether to allow Wakefield MDC to determine any planning application or whether they feel that the proposals warrant a Public Inquiry. If WMDC are 100% behind the scheme and there are no major objections then GO may pass the application over to WMDC. The worst case would be a PI which would at best would delay the scheme or at very worst scupper it.

Castleford's stadium at Glasshoughton was "called in" and GO passed it back to Wakefield MDC without a Public Inquiry.

I'm sure Sir Rodney and YorkCourt Properties will have done their homework to be confident to put the site forward.

: Mon Apr 20, 2009 7:48 pm  

[quote="TRB"]Nothing is decided - yet.

My take on this would be that whilst a gorundshare seems to make much sense from a cost saving point of view, at the end of the day, there will only be one set of corporate facilities / one set of dining facilities and one set of education facilities etc.... As such, you can only charge them out once.'

You can only charge them out if you own them not if you are the / a tennant surely. Surely the community trust would be the business reaping in the reddies and not one of their tennants.

: Mon Apr 20, 2009 8:01 pm  

bloomers wrote:

With some irony, I mention that one of the purposes of greenbelt is to prevent neighbouring towns merging into each other.

which is happening between outwood and wrenthorpe, it will soon be taken up as developments have been passed on red hall lane for some time, not many know the fields to the left going outbound on the bypass is disappearing to offices

: Mon Apr 20, 2009 8:57 pm  

sorry that was an error oops