Re: Belle Vue back on? : Fri Dec 29, 2017 4:46 pm  

vastman wrote:

You're massively missing the point, I give in and you can carry on being outraged to no effect.

It’s you that misses the point. There is plenty of money, but most of it has been sequestered away and is not circulating in the wider economy. While Branson, Apple etc. sit on mountains of equity the consequence for the rest of us is that the economy is running on one cylinder out of four, and that one is struggling. The Newmarket fiasco reflects that situation - the site is worth millions but rather than pay for a community stadium (i.e. a tax on the value) the owner sits on the equity waiting to maximise earnings.

Re: Belle Vue back on? : Fri Dec 29, 2017 6:11 pm  

Thing is it isn't us the taxpayer who determine the rate of tax, so we cannot be blamed for not paying more tax, I would also point out us on PAYE have no say in weather we pay or not it's taken off us before we see our net pay 20% then we pay another 22% vat on just about everything we buy, so no I don't feel guilty at all about the amount of tax I pay.

Re: Belle Vue back on? : Fri Dec 29, 2017 10:18 pm  

I guess it still depends on which paper you read. Statistics eh? http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/03 ... lysis/amp/ http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/ho ... 1.html?amp Happy new year to all.

I guess it still depends on which paper you read. Statistics eh? http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/03 ... lysis/amp/ http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/ho ... 1.html?amp Happy new year to all.

Re: Belle Vue back on? : Fri Dec 29, 2017 10:49 pm  

New year's Horner's just released "sir Nick Clegg " jeez.

Re: Belle Vue back on? : Fri Dec 29, 2017 11:05 pm  

But back on topics belle Vue / Newmarket stagecoach took over the east coast franchise promising the government i.e tax payer £3.3 million. They have now backed out after making money over a number of years and the tax payer stands to get nothing _ sounds familiar.

Re: Belle Vue back on? : Fri Dec 29, 2017 11:14 pm  

[quote="vastman"]No steady we are all to blame. Since when has a zero hours contract vile though they are been an excuse!

You can't have one rule for the rich and one for the poor - ditto - the other way around.

If we all followed the rules rich and poor life would be great but we don't we seem to pick and chose.

As a matter of interest steady if I were to come around and shoot your dog for a laugh would that be ok as I've only done it once? Bit extreme I know but it seems you have to be these days to get the most obvious point across.

Merry xmas hope you enjoyed your snide DVD [/quote]

Follow the rules you say, but who makes the rules? Are the rules set in stone or can they be manipulated? Are the rules fair? Do they favour one group over another? The list goes on & on.

Fortunately I have no dog, but I do have a guinea pig I would be glad to see the back of! Anyway, I digress; I think you're oversimplifying to be honest. If you did kill my dog, even once, I'd expect you to be dealt with by the law in a timely & justified manner & I trust that you would be, but here lies the trouble. If you or I gambled our employers money away we'd be dealt with for fraud, but that's not the way that bankers were treated. Similarly; if you or I lied about our expenses, then we'd expect to be dealt with by the law, but that didn't happen with politicians. Again, the list goes on. So I can't take your point about following the rules; only those who have no say/money/power follow the rules; as for the other folk, the rules are optional & subjective.
Oh & I should have said kodi; DVD's are so 90's!

Happy new year (think it'll be a memorable one for you - 3rd is my tip)!

Re: Belle Vue back on? : Fri Dec 29, 2017 11:23 pm  

LyndsayGill wrote:

Perhaps we could let a developer have some land out of the green belt and a S106 saying they have to build a hospital in return for the planning gain. Oh, hang on............

Good un, Lindsay

Re: Belle Vue back on? : Fri Dec 29, 2017 11:28 pm  

just to rub salt in the wound, the new Wakefield Divisional Police HQ at Normanton and the new police station at Elland Road in Leeds were also built under PFI. Makes you sick doesn't it?

Re: Belle Vue back on? : Sat Dec 30, 2017 12:29 am  

coco the fullback wrote: I guess it still depends on which paper you read. Statistics eh? http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/03 ... lysis/amp/ http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/ho ... 1.html?amp Happy new year to all. Another fact for you coco 2% of the population own 90% of the wealth so I suppose it makes sense that they should pay more tax or should they?

coco the fullback wrote: I guess it still depends on which paper you read. Statistics eh? http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/03 ... lysis/amp/ http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/ho ... 1.html?amp Happy new year to all. Another fact for you coco 2% of the population own 90% of the wealth so I suppose it makes sense that they should pay more tax or should they?

Re: Belle Vue back on? : Sat Dec 30, 2017 2:31 am  

Oddshapeball wrote:

Another fact for you coco 2% of the population own 90% of the wealth so I suppose it makes sense that they should pay more tax or should they?

Indeed, the 'fairness' of the tax system will always be up for debate. I just filled in my tax return online and there are some bizarre loopholes there if you know how to use them.

Bottom line: the UK has enough money to properly fund the NHS, it just chooses not to.