Re: Swap Deal : Thu Mar 30, 2023 12:54 pm  

jonh wrote:

Not really true.

Obviously clubs are in a stronger position to bargain because of where we find ourselves.

It’s all though relative to our needs.

Losing Hall harms our centres, no doubt, but it improves our fullback role and probably strengthens the overall squad.

Same with Tanginoa. He’s not really fired for us consistently for a couple of years and spends a lot of time injured.

We need a middle so swapping him for a player we need despite him maybe not being regarded as “good” a player probably strengthens our squad as it improves an area we are weak from a position we have relative strength.

If we were swapping centre for centre or secondrow for secondrow I would take your point and agree however we are swapping players for ones where we have cover for others where we need more support with the idea being that we are strengthening the team.

If it works in practice only time will tell.

Overall Tanginoa has been very good for us, the reason he probably doesn't appear as effective as in his early days is two main reasons, firstly the quality of squad he is playing in has been declining year on year and his chances to shine have reduced because of it and secondly because of that he is very much a marked man by the opposition. Being one of very few genuine individual attacking threats will be up the top of list in team meeting of who to watch on our team. In a better team with more attacking options he will stand out more. I feel we would miss him if he goes.

And yes he's had a delayed start to this year but can we please get away from this notion that he misses lots of games through injury. Prior to this season since joining in 2019 he had only missed just nine games, 5 through suspension (3 towards the end of last season for the 1 offence) and only FOUR games through injury. He's hardly injury prone.

Re: Swap Deal : Thu Mar 30, 2023 12:59 pm  

Sacred Cow wrote:

Overall Tanginoa has been very good for us, the reason he probably doesn't appear as effective as in his early days is two main reasons, firstly the quality of squad he is playing in has been declining year on year and his chances to shine have reduced because of it and secondly because of that he is very much a marked man by the opposition. Being one of very few genuine individual attacking threats will be up the top of list in team meeting of who to watch on our team. In a better team with more attacking options he will stand out more. I feel we would miss him if he goes.

And yes he's had a delayed start to this year but can we please get away from this notion that he misses lots of games through injury. Prior to this season since joining in 2019 he had only missed just nine games, 5 through suspension (3 towards the end of last season for the 1 offence) and only FOUR games through injury. He's hardly injury prone.

I agree to a certain extent but I think he has flaws which are fairly significant which can be masked in a team with a better pack.

His strength is obviously his edge running hitting great lines, but he has also struggled in defence and does come up with unforced errors ball in hand.

Like you say it comes down to who he is playing with.

Some teams can probably accept and cover that with other players who can pick up that slack.

I don’t think the current squad we have can.

Re: Swap Deal : Thu Mar 30, 2023 1:12 pm  

Sacred Cow wrote:

Overall Tanginoa has been very good for us, the reason he probably doesn't appear as effective as in his early days is two main reasons, firstly the quality of squad he is playing in has been declining year on year and his chances to shine have reduced because of it and secondly because of that he is very much a marked man by the opposition. Being one of very few genuine individual attacking threats will be up the top of list in team meeting of who to watch on our team. In a better team with more attacking options he will stand out more. I feel we would miss him if he goes.

And yes he's had a delayed start to this year but can we please get away from this notion that he misses lots of games through injury. Prior to this season since joining in 2019 he had only missed just nine games, 5 through suspension (3 towards the end of last season for the 1 offence) and only FOUR games through injury. He's hardly injury prone.

and despite being names in the Dream Team as a 2nd row our numbskull coach insisted on playing him in the front row for a season and a half

Re: Swap Deal : Thu Mar 30, 2023 1:18 pm  

FIL wrote:

So what's the rumour ??

Lineham out, (some guy called) French in.....
Thought you'd know that agent FIL....

Re: Swap Deal : Thu Mar 30, 2023 1:24 pm  

marc271841 wrote:

Yep there not DELIBERATELY making bad decisions. But still there have been some absolute stinkers.

I take it then that you have been Mr. Perfect so far in life........

Re: Swap Deal : Thu Mar 30, 2023 1:27 pm  

jonh wrote:

I agree to a certain extent but I think he has flaws which are fairly significant which can be masked in a team with a better pack.

His strength is obviously his edge running hitting great lines, but he has also struggled in defence and does come up with unforced errors ball in hand.

Like you say it comes down to who he is playing with.

Some teams can probably accept and cover that with other players who can pick up that slack.

I don’t think the current squad we have can.

To be fair if he didn't have deficiencies in his game he wouldn't have been playing for us in the first place! Or super league in general to be honest. It's just my opinion but for me hard work alone won't keep us up, we need quality as well and he is one of a precious few players we have with the ability to be a game changer with a rampaging run or big hit. So if we are to swap him then it has to be with someone who makes a discernable difference to the team and is noticably better in their position than what we already have. I await any wheeling and dealing with interest.

Re: Swap Deal : Thu Mar 30, 2023 1:35 pm  

Sacred Cow wrote:

jonh wrote:

I agree to a certain extent but I think he has flaws which are fairly significant which can be masked in a team with a better pack.

His strength is obviously his edge running hitting great lines, but he has also struggled in defence and does come up with unforced errors ball in hand.

Like you say it comes down to who he is playing with.

Some teams can probably accept and cover that with other players who can pick up that slack.

I don’t think the current squad we have can.

To be fair if he didn't have deficiencies in his game he wouldn't have been playing for us in the first place! Or super league in general to be honest. It's just my opinion but for me hard work alone won't keep us up, we need quality as well and he is one of a precious few players we have with the ability to be a game changer with a rampaging run or big hit. So if we are to swap him then it has to be with someone who makes a discernable difference to the team and is noticably better in their position than what we already have. I await any wheeling and dealing with interest.

There were rumours of Patrick Mago from Wigan. Would be the big damaging prop we need potentially. If he’s available.

Re: Swap Deal : Thu Mar 30, 2023 1:44 pm  

Trojan Horse wrote:

There were rumours of Patrick Mago from Wigan. Would be the big damaging prop we need potentially. If he’s available.

Wigan are wanting a second row so would make sense from their point of view i guess.

Re: Swap Deal : Thu Mar 30, 2023 1:47 pm  

BarnsleyGull wrote:

I take it then that you have been Mr. Perfect so far in life........

No but I'm transparent about my failings and I learn from them.

Re: Swap Deal : Thu Mar 30, 2023 1:50 pm  

For me it makes sense swapping Mago got Tanginoa. They are after an edge second rower after Bateman has gone, we seriously need abit of grunt up forward. How Tanginoa has played the last 2 years I’m not too fussed. He can also be a liability in defence, which will be better masked at Wigan