Re: Ground : Tue Aug 16, 2016 7:40 pm  

We were given the opportunity to buy the ground, did we even bid. I would remind you that we had every intention of leaving belle Vue last season so all of this would have happened anyway.
I have never read so many posts blaming everybody, Box, Yorkcourt, Rodney Walker, Ted Richardson even the people of Agbrigg. We have over the years tried to exist on the minimum amount of investment which has resulted in the ground now being beyond economical repair. This was not down to Box, Yorkcourt or even Rodney Walker it was down to us and now we face as supporters the possibility of leaving Wakefield with no safety net for a return.
I still cannot understand why we are still kept in the dark, what can be so sensitive that to tell the supporters could harm its advancement.
I fear if we move to Dewsbury we will have reached the point of no return and how many supporters will follow. I wish some of you would realise it's not the distance but the principal of leaving Belle Vue and the history that goes with it.

Re: Ground : Tue Aug 16, 2016 7:50 pm  

Weren't we going to leave BV last season due to the rent on the ground SP?
MC called their bluff and got a good deal for the club but BOI obviously thought that the money they were now getting wasn't worth it and decided to cut and run?
As for move to Dewsbury, I would rather do that than go to Newmarket.

Re: Ground : Tue Aug 16, 2016 8:15 pm  

Scarlet Pimpernell wrote:

unlike many on here I have a life that is not ruled by Wakefield Trinity or this forum.

Well you do a pretty good job making exactly the opposite appear to be the case although it's been Carter, from the minute Glover left, that's been your main interest.

Scarlet Pimpernell wrote:

the possibility of me attending any further games this season are slim..

Every cloud has a silver lining eh?

Re: Ground : Tue Aug 16, 2016 8:16 pm  

So what was it 6 years ago, YorkCourt got the go ahead firstly by WMDC planning, then also by the SofS to build their project, only to completely backtrack and pull everyone's pants down and yet the Council did absolutely nothing when it was in their power to do so.But yet you think they shouldn't take any blame.
How do think the majority of stadiums get built, especially Rugby League ones, It's either through the Yorkcourt way lol, same as Castleford are getting there's done, or by a sympathetic Council, or having a Football club to share with.
By the way without Ted selling the Stadium on the sly we wouldn't be having this conversation would we, also he owned the club for years so was part of the process in the stadium becoming an eye sore, so why shouldn't he also get in the neck. It's amazing no one except those running the club now are at fault and the supporters are to blame. What could us supporters do and unless MC has hundreds of thousands of pounds to buy it back, plus even more to develop it what do you expect him to do? Do you think he's got a spare million or more knocking around.
The fact is we haven't owned the ground for years and this was always going to come to ahead. Glover tarted the place up a bit and put a rood on the Northstand but still it was money spent on a ground we didn't own and even at that time Newmarket looked like it was going to happen.

Re: Ground : Tue Aug 16, 2016 8:20 pm  

I know we all slag "What's in it for me" Rodney off but I've been surprised by the lack of any output or comment from David Hinchcliffe. Maybe his affiliation to Box and the local Labour Party is stronger than to Wakefield Trinity?

Re: Ground : Tue Aug 16, 2016 8:22 pm  

FickleFingerOfFate wrote:

Weren't we going to leave BV last season due to the rent on the ground SP?
MC called their bluff and got a good deal for the club but BOI obviously thought that the money they were now getting wasn't worth it and decided to cut and run?
As for move to Dewsbury, I would rather do that than go to Newmarket.

Why would you of? especially when you take in the bigger picture. At Newmarket we were not only supposed to get a modern purpose built stadium, but also our own training grounds inside and out that would have set us up for the future and also enabled the rest of the Community to use, which we obviously lack. At Dewsbury we're renting a small stadium, that's it. Obviously Newmarket is dead but if when it started you were offered a new stadium etc at Newmaket or renting Dewsbury's I'd have been dumb struck if anyone said rent Dewsbury's.

Re: Ground : Tue Aug 16, 2016 8:55 pm  

Scarlet Pimpernell wrote:

You want an apology for what, there is nothing in this statement that could be said to be accurate. The ground which I pointed out before the Catalan game had been sold to a developer not a group of residents from Agbrigg.
I would expect the club knew of the position, so you will need to ask yourself we now have no plan B unless we have done a deal with the developer and once we move out of Wakefield we will never return because we couldn't afford a new ground.
I would also say before you ask I did not see Carter because unlike many on here I have a life that is not ruled by Wakefield Trinity or this forum. I am afraid I do not know what you will do if any move does not work because you will have to go outside and possibly meet people not purely connected to the club.
If I choose I will speak to MC but currently the possibility of me attending any further games this season are slim. I do however look forward to the announcement when it comes, it's a shame they decided to tell the press of the sale of the ground before the supporters.

Jon, any chance you can reduce 'slim' to 'non-existent'?

And for your information, I didn't tell the press anything so get your facts straight

Re: Ground : Tue Aug 16, 2016 8:58 pm  

The Avenger wrote:

What's to be said?

Honestly what more do you need to know?

We've been roundly stitched up by Peter Box and York Court Properties, Newmarket was never ever on the agenda so forget that because it was nothing more than a mechanism to release the land from green belt.

We don't own Belle Vue so why would anyone spend hundreds of thousands let alone millions of pounds tarting it up, and who's got that sort of money anyway.

When the new developer starts building there will be virtually no access to the stadium and even less parking. When the building works done the developer will turn his full attention to knocking down our stadium and building houses on it, Box will wave the Planning Permission through with a smile on his face.

So come on fellas, what's your solution, where should we play, what can we do?

The day Ted Richardson sold the land to Tillion (himself) and then screwed the Bank of Ireland he nigh on signed the death certificate for Wakefield Trinity.

This. Sadly.

Re: Ground : Tue Aug 16, 2016 9:01 pm  

Shifty Cat wrote:

So am I but I do massively worry that many won't and I wouldn't be surprised if we lost 1000 or more fans off an already fairly small number. Although Sky money practically covers the Cap, that's the other big worry. Will we be spending less on players than we currently are, maybe not so much next season but seasons ahead (that's if we're still in SL in 2018). Conversely will a move to say Dewsbury cost us less rent than staying at Belle Vue. Also are the RFL going to be cool for a SL team playing out of a stadium of 5000 or whatever it is. Unless there's some cunning plan to expand it but then you run into who's gonna pay for the thing again. Don't envy MC one bit, seems a complete minefield.

For information, sky money does not cover the cap. We get 1.495 million from sky. Cap is 1.825. We spend 1.7 million. Renovating BV can only come from one place. First team budget. Which would make us even less competitive!

Re: Ground : Tue Aug 16, 2016 9:06 pm  

Scarlet Pimpernell wrote:

We were given the opportunity to buy the ground, did we even bid. I would remind you that we had every intention of leaving belle Vue last season so all of this would have happened anyway.
I have never read so many posts blaming everybody, Box, Yorkcourt, Rodney Walker, Ted Richardson even the people of Agbrigg. We have over the years tried to exist on the minimum amount of investment which has resulted in the ground now being beyond economical repair. This was not down to Box, Yorkcourt or even Rodney Walker it was down to us and now we face as supporters the possibility of leaving Wakefield with no safety net for a return.
I still cannot understand why we are still kept in the dark, what can be so sensitive that to tell the supporters could harm its advancement.
I fear if we move to Dewsbury we will have reached the point of no return and how many supporters will follow. I wish some of you would realise it's not the distance but the principal of leaving Belle Vue and the history that goes with it.

Jon, it would be interesting to know where you feel we came unstuck?

Was it a previous chairman selling the ground to himself then mortgaging it and it being repossessed. The clubs only true asset!

Was it a private developer getting over 100 acres of green belt land lifted out of green belt for industrial development, on the back of promising a community stadium for the citizens of Wakefield, and then reneging on that part?

Your views are of genuine interest