Re: cas redevelpment goes to plan B : Thu Sep 14, 2023 10:27 pm  

18th Man wrote: Sorry but I still can't see it?! Am I looking at the wrong site? https://www.totalrl.com/forums/index.ph ... rd-tigers/ Just posts with no replies show up. https://www.totalrl.com/forums/index.php?/topic/382993-castleford-stadium/

18th Man wrote: Sorry but I still can't see it?! Am I looking at the wrong site? https://www.totalrl.com/forums/index.ph ... rd-tigers/ Just posts with no replies show up. https://www.totalrl.com/forums/index.php?/topic/382993-castleford-stadium/

Re: cas redevelpment goes to plan B : Fri Sep 15, 2023 6:44 am  

newgroundb4wakey wrote:

Not sure where people are.looking. In the full interview (over 1 hour) with Mark Gratton he is asked if there is a plan B if the planning decision is delayed any longer. He explains what plan B is but doesn't want to use it. The other option was to play for a season at another stadium with York given as an example for a season while the full revamp was in progress as that would be an easier way to meet IMG criteria. Not sure if you are aware but it involves 2 PPs one for the ground and one for the Axiom site. When Axiom site gets approval it releases the money to start the work at the jungle .

The article I saw was from a league express tweet.
It just came across as a bit desperate, but might have been cropped by the journalist.
The last paragraph was a bit of an odd sentence to come out with regarding delays..
Don’t know much about axiom as an outfit but I can’t see them submitting anything until they have companies signed on the dotted line to move into their warehouse’s…
Cant see them submitting plans….handing cas a lump sum telling them to crack on… while they sit on waste land waiting for companies to buy warehouses.
When it suits them though, they won’t be able to submit them fast enough.
The cost will also be a factor as prices are sky high, although I would of thought this will benefit cas also as your stadium will cost less to construct.
Could end up being a long haul but it will happen eventually.

Re: cas redevelpment goes to plan B : Fri Sep 15, 2023 8:22 am  

Belle Vue wrote:

The article I saw was from a league express tweet.
It just came across as a bit desperate, but might have been cropped by the journalist.
The last paragraph was a bit of an odd sentence to come out with regarding delays..
Don’t know much about axiom as an outfit but I can’t see them submitting anything until they have companies signed on the dotted line to move into their warehouse’s…
Cant see them submitting plans….handing cas a lump sum telling them to crack on… while they sit on waste land waiting for companies to buy warehouses.
When it suits them though, they won’t be able to submit them fast enough.
The cost will also be a factor as prices are sky high, although I would of thought this will benefit cas also as your stadium will cost less to construct.
Could end up being a long haul but it will happen eventually.

The Environment agency has raised concerns with bot PP's as i understand and 2 of the major customers that were looking to move into the new development next to Jnc 32(Amazon 7 Siemens) have pulled out, so I doubt that one will even get off the ground now, and as one is totally dependant on the other, it looks like neither will happen in the next 24 months, the PP is not being scheduled to be heard again until the November meeting at the earliest. It looks sadly like Cas are in a similar position to what Trinity were with Newmarket and have clearly been dicked around.

Re: cas redevelpment goes to plan B : Fri Sep 15, 2023 9:19 am  

financialtimes wrote:

The Environment agency has raised concerns with bot PP's as i understand and 2 of the major customers that were looking to move into the new development next to Jnc 32(Amazon 7 Siemens) have pulled out, so I doubt that one will even get off the ground now, and as one is totally dependant on the other, it looks like neither will happen in the next 24 months, the PP is not being scheduled to be heard again until the November meeting at the earliest. It looks sadly like Cas are in a similar position to what Trinity were with Newmarket and have clearly been dicked around.

This explains Mark Grattans musical chairs plan B.
But didn’t notice any mention of floodlights big screen digital advertising which we have found out to out cost… ain’t cheap!

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Re: cas redevelpment goes to plan B : Fri Sep 15, 2023 9:51 am  

Belle Vue wrote:

This explains Mark Grattans musical chairs plan B.
But didn’t notice any mention of floodlights big screen digital advertising which we have found out to out cost… ain’t cheap!

They don't have to have them.....they are just a significant number of points.

Re: cas redevelpment goes to plan B : Sun Sep 17, 2023 7:50 pm  

financialtimes wrote:

The Environment agency has raised concerns with bot PP's as i understand and 2 of the major customers that were looking to move into the new development next to Jnc 32(Amazon 7 Siemens) have pulled out, so I doubt that one will even get off the ground now, and as one is totally dependant on the other, it looks like neither will happen in the next 24 months, the PP is not being scheduled to be heard again until the November meeting at the earliest. It looks sadly like Cas are in a similar position to what Trinity were with Newmarket and have clearly been dicked around.

I'm not sure where you get all this from mate.
Axiom submitted 5 new documents to PP regarding the Glasshoughton site which addressed the concerns on September 14th. They submitted 1 more document on the 15th September for the Jungle development (flood risk) to hopefully be heard at the PP meeting in November. If passed this releases the money immediately to start the ground improvement. We'll have to see I suppose.

Re: cas redevelpment goes to plan B : Sun Sep 17, 2023 8:28 pm  

newgroundb4wakey wrote:

I'm not sure where you get all this from mate.
Axiom submitted 5 new documents to PP regarding the Glasshoughton site which addressed the concerns on September 14th. They submitted 1 more document on the 15th September for the Jungle development (flood risk) to hopefully be heard at the PP meeting in November. If passed this releases the money immediately to start the ground improvement. We'll have to see I suppose.

Firstly everything I said is fact, at the time of me typing it I was unaware tha 24 hours prior, axiom sent in documents regarding the EA concerns, however, that still doesn’t remove their concerns until they respond at the next scheduled planning meeting. Secondly, the 2 major companies that had originally committed to the JcT32 site have gone elsewhere, this puts some jeopardy in the development, but I agree it isn’t a 100% dealbreaker. Lastly, the funds get released when “Axiom” release them, the only thing that dictates the timing (as stated in the S106 agreement) is that they cannot start on the jct 32 development until they release the fund, so if they don’t want to start on it for 4 years (which I think but not sure is the statutory length of these stand) then they don’t have to release the monies for 4 years HTH

Re: cas redevelpment goes to plan B : Sun Sep 17, 2023 8:43 pm  

financialtimes wrote:

Firstly everything I said is fact, at the time of me typing it I was unaware tha 24 hours prior, axiom sent in documents regarding the EA concerns, however, that still doesn’t remove their concerns until they respond at the next scheduled planning meeting. Secondly, the 2 major companies that had originally committed to the JcT32 site have gone elsewhere, this puts some jeopardy in the development, but I agree it isn’t a 100% dealbreaker. Lastly, the funds get released when “Axiom” release them, the only thing that dictates the timing (as stated in the S106 agreement) is that they cannot start on the jct 32 development until they release the fund, so if they don’t want to start on it for 4 years (which I think but not sure is the statutory length of these stand) then they don’t have to release the monies for 4 years HTH

Read ad understood mate, I can only say that everything Axiom have said in communications on the matter is that they are desperate to start as soon as possible. Appreciate that you didn't know about the documents.

Re: cas redevelpment goes to plan B : Sun Sep 17, 2023 9:18 pm  

newgroundb4wakey wrote:

Read ad understood mate, I can only say that everything Axiom have said in communications on the matter is that they are desperate to start as soon as possible. Appreciate that you didn't know about the documents.

Nope.

The Eastwoods' submission of of 15th Sept is a begging letter saying "we can't do what they EA say we must do, so please ignore the environmental requirements".

As it stands the Cas development is screwed.

The developer has put in writing that they cannot fund the project at the level required.

You should also be aware that WMDC have made it clear to Cas that they cannot use the £2m in the way that Gratton has suggested in the press last week.

Re: cas redevelpment goes to plan B : Sun Sep 17, 2023 9:26 pm  

newgroundb4wakey wrote:

Read ad understood mate, I can only say that everything Axiom have said in communications on the matter is that they are desperate to start as soon as possible. Appreciate that you didn't know about the documents.

From the WMDC Planning Portal - submission from Eastwood's on behalf of the developer.:

"In order to raise finished floor levels above the maximum flood level should defences fail, approximately 1.5 m of raising would be required. This would result in the development failing to meet accessibility criteria and lead to an increase in flood risk elsewhere.

In addition, raising of finished floor levels would require the creation of new compensatory voids to accommodate the displaced volume of flooding. If this were to be included on the site it would result in the significant de-scoping of the major upgrades provided (such as removal of the training pitch, loss of car parking and removal of the fan zone) thereby undermining the principle of the proposals to provide upgraded stadium and training facilities. Having the fans seated at a higher level would undermine the intimate atmosphere of the historic stadium, one of the features it is famous and valued for.

Raising finished floor levels would also raise construction costs which have been carefully assessed to provide the maximum benefits and to meet the Superleague stadium criteria. Any increase in construction costs would mean that the other upgrades to the facilities would need to be descoped resulting in Wheldon Road failing to meet the required stadium standards. Raising of finished floor levels is therefore deemed unviable."