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The Avenger wrote:
But he's not likely to start saying that in his blog is he!

It's a start and he can't spell out how much he's behind the stadium build much more than he has. What comes next is important though.

This. And if he is a big player in the next government then that influence will surely help when applying the pressure.
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A coincidence? that it comes directly after Antony Calvert, Tory candidate for Wakefield, publicly states that the first thing he'll do after being elected is knock on Eric's door and ask about the stadium.
Still, it's good news. We need all the support we can get, whether it's just election rhetoric or not.
It's easier to work with them than against them.
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TrinityIHC wrote:
At least he has replied, Mary Creagh doesn't seem to want to engage at all.


Mary Creagh has replied to me. She contacted the council for an update and was provided with one. I have offered to meet and explain our position, as I have with Mr Balls. Unless they are prepared to listen to us, how can they have full appreciation?

That statement from Balls could have come from the council. At this point they have not withdrawn support, in fact their responses continue to contain phrases such as 'doing all we can'. It doesn't mean they are doing all they should!
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Seems like politicians can't win with some people. He states his support but that's still not good enough - some posters still don't trust him. Why not wait to see what he actually does before you slag him off. We don't really deserve any support if that's the attitude.


Forgive me for being a little cynical in all this these days, but as said above, the offer to meet is there. They only know what they've seen in social media and on doorsteps and what they've been advised by WMDC. If the 3 of them wish to meet and discuss, then we will, until then there is a suspicion of lip service and its funny how that has come about since we alerted Joe Public to the problem - we could get nothing from them before!
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Correct me if I'm wrong but the whole argument now seems to rest on the SoS clause that the land can not be aggregated away piece by piece in order to circumvent the S106.

Yorkcourt, perhaps chancing their luck, put in a revised Newcold planning permission half expecting the WMDC to knock it back and quote the aggregation clause at them. Instead the WMDC, in their incompetence, waved it through and allowed the loophole to open.

That's the 'Once Upon a Time' version, the other version is far more sinister with dark rooms, shady characters, conspirators and certainly isn't bedtime story stuff for young kids.

In hindsight, and I know this doesn't help, the clause should have had a monetary value linked to every m2 of development on the site, say £200 for every m2 which equates to £12,000,000 for 60,000 m2.

That would mean that even if YCP only built 30,000m2 they would owe us £6,000,000 etc etc. that kind of clause would actually encourage YCP to do the whole development to mitigate or dilute the percentage of profit per m2 down as far down as possible.

Maybe if this becomes a legal battle and YCP lose or are found guilty of acting fraudulently during the PI, this scale could be used to award money to the Stadium Trust even retrospectively taking the Newcold building into account.

Far fetched, maybe or maybe not, you'd have to convince a judge that YCP intentionally misrepresented their position, never intended to build a stadium and have acted outside the spirit of the partnerships and agreements they entered into. Remember verbal contracts can be upheld in law if the actions of a party are such that they indicate acceptance of the agreement.

Just a bit of food for thought!
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I'd hazard a guess that if Yorkcourt lost a court case they would just walk away and not build anything if it was going to severly impact their profits. We can't actually put a gun to their head and force them to build anything so as such we still wouldn't get the stadium if they are prepared to sit on the land for a few years or just build up to then trigger and not go beyond it. Whether we like it or not they seem to be holding all the cards on this one and it stinks something rotten.
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Sandal Cat wrote:
There is no covenant on Belle Vue, that's a myth, I've looked at the Title and there is no covenant.

There is a condition (Condition 38) on the current consent to develop housing on Belle Vue that states no development can take place until the stadium at Newmarket is complete. Belle Vue's owners applied to have this condition amended but the Supporters Trust and Sport England objected and it remains but there is nothing to stop further applications and we may not be as successful next time.

Out of interest would the plan for Cas' new stadium give a possible get out clause for a future renewal on Belle Vue? Given the relatively close proximity of the Newmarket and the five towns developments (just over 6 miles and 11 minutes according to rac route planner, although it is the m62!) could theoretically the direct link involving condition 38 and the NM development be amended to say any new stadia in the district?
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Out of interest would the plan for Cas' new stadium give a possible get out clause for a future renewal on Belle Vue? Given the relatively close proximity of the Newmarket and the five towns developments (just over 6 miles and 11 minutes according to rac route planner, although it is the m62!) could theoretically the direct link involving condition 38 and the NM development be amended to say any new stadia in the district?


Yes, in my opinion it could. All it would need is an application from Belle Vue's owners to amend the condition and if sucessful then BV could be sold and developed and we'd have to look at playing elsewhere with the Stadium at Glasshoughton being put forward as the alternative and the reason for the conition being amended.

The problem is that the new stadium proposed for Glasshoughton is in my opinion not a Community Stadium as it will be owned freehold by Castleford Tigers and as such we would need their permission to play there and have to pay them rent. That would not work in my opinion and I feel the Club would wither and die.
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The Avenger wrote:
All the same, he can't spell out his support any clearer than that!

I hope he gets on the phone to Box and tells him to get his finger out of his arris and sort his mess out!



"That’s why everyone needs to get round the table again to hammer out a way forward. We need a renewed effort to get the stadium back on track.

With my Labour colleagues Mary Creagh and Jon Trickett, I will continue to work with the community stadium trust, fans and the Council to secure the future of the club and the new stadium."

But Box made it quite clear in his condescending interview with SandalCat on Radio Leeds that "it is nothing to do with Wakefield MDC". I suspect he knows full well that the planning committee cocked up when they approved the new 106 agreement, and is now trying to keep his head down and avoid the justified flack that is coming their way !!!!
Do we think the same situation will be allowed to occur across the Common when their 106 is submitted for approval ?????? ....I think we all know the answer to that one. :evil: :evil:
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