Re: Belle Vue back on? : Wed Dec 27, 2017 6:44 pm  

I can't remember if it was one of the Trust guys or someone else but I've seen someone mention the site is worth £80m. Going on what MC said above, it could be closer to £90m then.

Re: Belle Vue back on? : Wed Dec 27, 2017 7:16 pm  

Daddycool wrote:

You’ve undersold it. A wealthy construction guy connected to the rhino’s once told me he would pay a minimum of £400,000 an acre and there’s 220 acres. You do the math. An absolute scandal!

It is a absolute scandal makes my blood boil how certain individuals will be allowed to make millions out of this without giving back what was promised. Reading the Financial Times the fastest moving investments are the massive warehouses for storage for amazon etc and they're crying out for land in the Yorkshire Humber region. Shows you how lucrative the Newmarket development is, probably the best location on the M62.

Up the Trin

Re: Belle Vue back on? : Wed Dec 27, 2017 7:25 pm  

This stadium subject will remain a hot topic for sometime yet and therefore seeing as it is this special time of the year.

PRINCE BUSTERS STADIUM PREDICTIONS FOR 2018

1. The recent £80m to £90m value figures for Newmarket are open for debate and discussion. However I do predict that whatever the value true value is, it will greatly increase in 2018 when Yorkcourt gets planning permission for housing on the part of the site that was earmarked for the stadium and ancilliary facilities.

2. I do predict that when this happens Yorkcourt still will not pay a penny to any community stadium development. The council will pretend they are concerned publicly, but in private will happily allow them to get away with it.
3. Another development company will be offered a prime plot of inner city, public owned land at a greatly reduced rate. This will also get planning consent for housing.
4. This is a tricky one to predict !!! and its regarding Belle Vue. I predict we will not see a fully redeveloped Belle Vue. However there will be a polished turd version that will masquerade as such.
5.I also predict one bloated individual will continue to work with the council in order to be in control of the stadium once it has had its sham 'upgrade'.
6. I predict our club and its directors will continue to be shafted throughout the whole process. They will be offered rental terms and conditions which will be very detrimental to the clubs finances.
7. I am certain of this final prediction .
Whatever the outcome is, it will be so far removed from what the citizens of Wakefield were originally promised that the only people who will be will be happy will be the council, the developers, the new faux trust and individuals like the scarlet pumpernickle .

Re: Belle Vue back on? : Wed Dec 27, 2017 7:53 pm  

Prince Buster wrote:

This stadium subject will remain a hot topic for sometime yet and therefore seeing as it is this special time of the year.

PRINCE BUSTERS STADIUM PREDICTIONS FOR 2018

1. The recent £80m to £90m value figures for Newmarket are open for debate and discussion. However I do predict that whatever the value true value is, it will greatly increase in 2018 when Yorkcourt gets planning permission for housing on the part of the site that was earmarked for the stadium and ancilliary facilities.

2. I do predict that when this happens Yorkcourt still will not pay a penny to any community stadium development. The council will pretend they are concerned publicly, but in private will happily allow them to get away with it.
3. Another development company will be offered a prime plot of inner city, public owned land at a greatly reduced rate. This will also get planning consent for housing.
4. This is a tricky one to predict !!! and its regarding Belle Vue. I predict we will not see a fully redeveloped Belle Vue. However there will be a polished turd version that will masquerade as such.
5.I also predict one bloated individual will continue to work with the council in order to be in control of the stadium once it has had its sham 'upgrade'.
6. I predict our club and its directors will continue to be shafted throughout the whole process. They will be offered rental terms and conditions which will be very detrimental to the clubs finances.
7. I am certain of this final prediction .
Whatever the outcome is, it will be so far removed from what the citizens of Wakefield were originally promised that the only people who will be will be happy will be the council, the developers, the new faux trust and individuals like the scarlet pumpernickle .

You're probably correct but hope 4,5,6 and 7 are incorrect and we get a watertight contract signed and certain people start showing some decent morals we have no other choice.

Up the Trin

Re: Belle Vue back on? : Wed Dec 27, 2017 8:00 pm  

As much as I'm a bit of an optimist you're probably not too far off one way or the other there PB. The one thing I would be surprised at is if they put housing right next to the monster Newcold, where the stadium is earmarked to be. I wouldn't exactly be surprised to see the extra community facilities, which are basically at the bottom of Moorhouse Estate turned into housing though.

Re: Belle Vue back on? : Wed Dec 27, 2017 8:09 pm  

Extremely frustrating as a mere supporter watching how this saga is unfolding.
On one hand we desperately need a stadium and we are now promised one (again) but how the hell one will fit at BV and to what standard, I don't know.
On the other hand, it goes completely against the grain to see how some individuals are going to profit hugely from this, which, if it comes off will be an absolute scandal and one which is surely worthy of some sort of investigation screened on t.v.
I'm an ex cop and I've locked up hundreds of people throughout my old career with better morals and standards of decency than a lot of those involved in this matter. Give me a good old fashioned thief anyday.

Re: Belle Vue back on? : Wed Dec 27, 2017 10:39 pm  

Scarlet Pimpernell wrote:

Why the sudden concern for the Newmarket area. This is new for many of you or is your sudden empathy with the area more to do with the council than the area.
If the full development including the stadium and other related builds had gone ahead how much more of the green belt would have been reclassified and destroyed. I don’t remember any concerns being raised then in fact many of you were openly appalled by the group set up to stop the development.
Newmarket is let’s face it in the wrong place, it borders Leeds and brings us nearer to Castleford. Belle Vue is our home and that is the site that will generate greater spectator numbers not a development that would be in the middle of large industrial units.
I get it you don’t like the council but please don’t try to use your sudden concern for the people of Newmarket as an excuse.

Sorry just read your post which I believe is a response to my earlier post. Unlike you I have no hidden agenda but a genuine concern for the area where I am from. I'm proud to be from Stanley, Wakefield and played rugby throughout my childhood for Stanley Rangers who have links to Trinity. My family have lived in the Moorhouse and bottomboat areas of Stanley for about 70 years. My grandfathers worked at the Newmarket Colliery up until the late 1970s. I actually believe this deprived area of Stanley would have benefited from the Community facilities and potential employment of the Newmarket development 1 mile away. I myself was born and raised in a house on St.Peters Crescent. I also now work within local authorities and I am fully aware of how they can operate in a dysfunctional way and be influenced by big business.

Re: Belle Vue back on? : Wed Dec 27, 2017 11:33 pm  

No not you, I was referring to the new converts to the Newmarket cause with no previous history.

Re: Belle Vue back on? : Thu Dec 28, 2017 12:14 am  

Scarlet Pimpernell wrote:

No not you, I was referring to the new converts to the Newmarket cause with no previous history.

Sorry Pimpernell but, you're wrong and or mis informed.
Go back to the time when the Newmarket plan was passed.
Jobs, facilities and a ground for Trinity to play in, it's all in black and white, in the papers, on tv, on the radio.
The only reason that the message may have faded and some may have become confused, is the years that have passed since the public enquiry.

You do seem to have an agenda, which is significantly different to most Trinity fans and perhaps you have some connection to person's outside of the Trust but, you are massively wrong on this one.
Of course, all Trinity fans want whats best for Trinity but, EVERYONE involved at the outset was looking for something more than just a ground for Trinity and the 15000 signature petition, blatantly ignored after the event, was just as much to do with some meaningful jobs and some decent sporting facilities for ALL, hence the COMMUNITY STADIUM.

Give yer head a shake

Re: Belle Vue back on? : Thu Dec 28, 2017 7:45 am  

I just think the whole Community Stadium seems to have been lost . I'm pretty sure for some of the Wakefield public its been an issue between WMDC and Wakefield Trinity , with the rest showing little or no interest .
Its amazing that the Daily Starr seem to be the only paper to have shown any kind of interest, and why the Wakey Express didn't run with a number of stories off the back of the national papers reporting seems unexplainable.
WMDC could and should have provided a sporting village located at the pugneys but all they have done over the last couple of years is to charge for parking. Remember the sun lane baths knocked down leaving no swimming in the City but replaced with a car park.
Sport and sporting activities within our Citys in the decline and the council seem more than happy and in some cases assist the situation.