Re: Public Meeting Confirmed for 22nd April - Cats : Sat Apr 25, 2015 9:51 am  

dboy wrote:

And when we cease to exist, the need for YC to build a stadium is gone and the covenant on BV goes too, then BoI will make a killing on selling the land to a developer.

There is no covenant on Belle Vue, that's a myth, I've looked at the Title and there is no covenant.

There is a condition (Condition 38) on the current consent to develop housing on Belle Vue that states no development can take place until the stadium at Newmarket is complete. Belle Vue's owners applied to have this condition amended but the Supporters Trust and Sport England objected and it remains but there is nothing to stop further applications and we may not be as successful next time.

Re: Public Meeting Confirmed for 22nd April - Cats : Sat Apr 25, 2015 9:54 am  

Theboyem wrote:

So how long can we afford to play at Belle Vue and is there an end target date before you make the decision? And if we were to get relegated, which is a distinct possibility, how would this affect things?

I think that's a question for Michael Carter but he has already said that with such operating costs the club is unsustainable. Just think what you could do with the substantail saving of a reduced rent to the playing staff.

Heaven forbid we were to be relegated. Could the club survive with lower income and gates and still pay the £250,000 running costs.

Re: Public Meeting Confirmed for 22nd April - Cats : Sat Apr 25, 2015 10:07 am  

Barnsley anyone?

Re: Public Meeting Confirmed for 22nd April - Cats : Sat Apr 25, 2015 10:09 am  

Tricky2309 wrote:

Sorry to appear negative but I have the same concern as "The boyem" basically YC never had any intention of building a stadium, they used it as a mechanism to secure the planning permission and they will develop up to the trigger point and then walk away with a tidy profit and a big 2 fingers to the Stadium Trust and people of Wakefield.

In that scenario nothing else that has been talked about matters, because they will have no obligation to build the stadium and therefore nothing for us to challenge through the courts or otherwise.

If we cannot afford to continue to play at Belle Vue, unless a sugar daddy suddenly pops up from nowhere, I can only see one of two options in the next few years:

(1) We end up in the championship ground sharing with Dewsbury or Featherstone (assuming they would have us);
(2) We cease to exist.

Its an extremely pessimistic outlook, but IMO its the harsh reality.

They will not just develop another 60,000 square metres and then walk away. That will still leave much of the site to re developed and they just will not do this if there is interest from occupiers out there which we believe there is - there is lots of money to be made.

What they are likely to do in my opinion is continue to submit stand alone planning applications like Newcold that do not, according to the Council contribute to the trigger point, although they are unable to supply a copy of the legal advice that confirms this and the S106 agreement is worthless and the condition imposed by the Secretary of State ignored.

I'm afraid I have to agree with your outlook, both of which I feel will result in the demise of Wakefield Trinity as we have known it. I also hate to be so pessimistic but that is why The Supporters Trust, The Club, SWAG, The Stadium Trust and Residents for Newmarket are not going to accept the situation and will continue to fight for what we feel the citizens of Wakefield deserve and were promised.

Re: Public Meeting Confirmed for 22nd April - Cats : Sat Apr 25, 2015 10:20 am  

ed millerband as a twitter account it might be that someone knowing all the facts might be able to get through to him about the goings on at the council

Re: Public Meeting Confirmed for 22nd April - Cats : Sat Apr 25, 2015 11:02 am  

Sandal Cat wrote:

They will not just develop another 60,000 square metres and then walk away. That will still leave much of the site to re developed and they just will not do this if there is interest from occupiers out there which we believe there is - there is lots of money to be made.

What they are likely to do in my opinion is continue to submit stand alone planning applications like Newcold that do not, according to the Council contribute to the trigger point, although they are unable to supply a copy of the legal advice that confirms this and the S106 agreement is worthless and the condition imposed by the Secretary of State ignored.

I'm afraid I have to agree with your outlook, both of which I feel will result in the demise of Wakefield Trinity as we have known it. I also hate to be so pessimistic but that is why The Supporters Trust, The Club, SWAG, The Stadium Trust and Residents for Newmarket are not going to accept the situation and will continue to fight for what we feel the citizens of Wakefield deserve and were promised.

They might not walk away indefinately, but for long enough to ensure that there isn't a club around to cause a problem.

Going by the figures i've seen on another site then the current, ridiculously over-sized, Newcold build is itself only 27,000 square metres of building, rising to 38,700 when the second part of it is built. So that in itself is over 21,000 square metres short and that doesn't even count and likely now never will. Best we could probably hope for is that any future developments are forced to be within the original decisions parameters and are made to count towards the trigger point. Problem is those figures show just how much building would have to take place before we even got started on the stadium. Even then all the units have to be occupied before building has to commence so the best case scenario we are talking in terms of quite a few years before we would be playing at Newmarket. Question is, do we have that amount of time if Belle Vue is so unviable? The longer Yorkcourt play for time the weaker we are likely to become and i share your pessimistic outlook on the future.

Re: Public Meeting Confirmed for 22nd April - Cats : Sat Apr 25, 2015 11:28 am  

JINJER wrote:

That looks suspiciously like the write up in the Wakey express.

It is, how lazy is that. They would take more care if it was the rhinos !!

Re: Public Meeting Confirmed for 22nd April - Cats : Sat Apr 25, 2015 11:35 am  

Pathetic. It reads as if they've sent it to wmdc for editing first...?

Re: Public Meeting Confirmed for 22nd April - Cats : Sat Apr 25, 2015 11:57 am  

Could more stomach ground sharing, or if we really had to, merging with Fev or Dewsbury rather than Cas.

Re: Public Meeting Confirmed for 22nd April - Cats : Sat Apr 25, 2015 12:23 pm  

coco the fullback wrote:

Pathetic. It reads as if they've sent it to wmdc for editing first...?

Looks to me that YEP have copy and pasted the WE article which in itself was a pathetic effort, splinters on ar se time sitting on that fence!