: Sun Apr 19, 2009 7:58 am  

mutley cat wrote:

Al , i understand your sentiments entirely , i suppose what im trying to get across is they should be more responsible for their actions and not come on the board bleating about the fact they got thrown out. they need to understand that only they can accept ownership for the actions .

yes i drunk under age , yes i travelled up n down the country (As i know you did) yes i laughed and tormented the opposing fans and whistled the theme to Laural n hardy at the police and sung YTS at the stewards . but if i had been thrown out of a ground for being an ar@e i would not write into lets say LE to moan about it as it would be deemed fair cop. I certainly would not of told my old man or mam as i would of got another good hiding .

i do not condone power crazed stewards and their antics but when we were growing up if you swung at a bouncer in roof tops you were gonna get your ar@e kicked , even the great Nigel Wright can clarify that.

like you said its great that these kids come up n down the country and follow us but im sure we will both agree that in all probability on Friday they got more protection than they release and their actions could off resulted in a very good kick in for them. I don't think they understand just how bad it looked on Friday but the first thing i said to you n acko was their gonna end up getting a good hiding as it was so evident they deserved it.

Yes mate i understand you loud and clear and thats 100% correct, just feel they need a little guideance, they are not bad lads IMO, just a little silly/giddy but most of us have been there (not the ones who are whiter than white of course) but then again no ones perfect are they.

The question is will they learn from fridays episode and come on board or will they get worse (and again i know it nots all the young lads) and carry on.


I want to give them a chance and not condem them at this stage.

: Sun Apr 19, 2009 8:00 am  

mutley cat wrote:

Al , i understand your sentiments entirely , i suppose what im trying to get across is they should be more responsible for their actions and not come on the board bleating about the fact they got thrown out. they need to understand that only they can accept ownership for the actions .

yes i drunk under age , yes i travelled up n down the country (As i know you did) yes i laughed and tormented the opposing fans and whistled the theme to Laural n hardy at the police and sung YTS at the stewards . but if i had been thrown out of a ground for being an ar@e i would not write into lets say LE to moan about it as it would be deemed fair cop. I certainly would not of told my old man or mam as i would of got another good hiding .

i do not condone power crazed stewards and their antics but when we were growing up if you swung at a bouncer in roof tops you were gonna get your ar@e kicked , even the great Nigel Wright can clarify that.

like you said its great that these kids come up n down the country and follow us but im sure we will both agree that in all probability on Friday they got more protection than they release and their actions could off resulted in a very good kick in for them. I don't think they understand just how bad it looked on Friday but the first thing i said to you n acko was their gonna end up getting a good hiding as it was so evident they deserved it.

Tut Tut, and they made you a Mod, how can that be right

: Sun Apr 19, 2009 8:06 am  

BIGAL1 wrote:

Tut Tut, and they made you a Mod, how can that be right

because i found out that supporting my own club was far more important than anything else in the ground

: Sun Apr 19, 2009 9:42 am  

BIGAL1 wrote:

Thats the issue mate, if we can agree to cut that out and just calm down a bit there is no problem.

The passion and support is clear to see and i for one applaud it.

You seem like you understand the situation and can help us all resolve it and move on.

The easiest way to resolve this is for those who were involved to just channel their passion in a different direction. Singing, "sing your hearts out for the lads" shows how much they want to support the players out on the field, and it shows that they were trying to get the rest of us involved in the singing for them.

: Sun Apr 19, 2009 9:48 am  

Top Notch Trinity wrote:

The easiest way to resolve this is for those who were involved to just channel their passion in a different direction. Singing, "sing your hearts out for the lads" shows how much they want to support the players out on the field, and it shows that they were trying to get the rest of us involved in the singing for them.

Its just a pity that they started getting behind the team after the stewards had to step in and after the worst were ejected.

As has been said when they get behind the team they make a cracking atmosphere and bring a lot to the club, its just the other side that spoils it.

: Sun Apr 19, 2009 10:13 am  

2 Possible answers to this problem:

1) WiSCA employ someone to be a 'bouncer' on the buses. This 'bouncer' or steward would need to be of decent calibre - one who can gain some common sense in these matters - which seems to go out of the window when the 'yellow coats' come out. (It seems that they could have handled this a whole lot better). This would put the cost of the coach up!

2) At the expense of our own time and enjoyment, some of us 'senior' supporters take the time to explain to these lads the reason to calm down and the consequences of not doing so (i.e. you may be ejected - and barred from Belle Vue if you don't!)

Don't appreciate the problems these lads bring, but they're not the first and won't be the last - so we have to deal with it.

BUT, the way the 'yellow coats' deal with it is NOT the answer - it too is 'antagonistic'!

: Sun Apr 19, 2009 10:31 am  

I normally have a word with the lads regarding the relentless Swearing in the songs & most of the time they listen & calm it down, But i don't know how many more times i can keep carrying on telling them untill the penny is going to drop.

The young lads help bring a very good atmosphere to the away games & i would not want that to stop,So from now on i will undertake to talking to the lads before our matches & make them relies the harm they could be doing to our reputation

: Sun Apr 19, 2009 10:49 am  

acko wrote:

I normally have a word with the lads regarding the relentless Swearing in the songs & most of the time they listen & calm it down, But i don't know how many more times i can keep carrying on telling them untill the penny is going to drop.

The young lads help bring a very good atmosphere to the away games & i would not want that to stop,So from now on i will undertake to talking to the lads before our matches & make them relies the harm they could be doing to our reputation

Absolutely - and the atmosphere was brilliant as a result of them. That's why it is sad when all it needs is some calmness and common sense - it's bets for everyone.

Cheers acko - you're a star!

: Sun Apr 19, 2009 11:09 am  

TRB wrote:

2 Possible answers to this problem:

1) WiSCA employ someone to be a 'bouncer' on the buses. This 'bouncer' or steward would need to be of decent calibre - one who can gain some common sense in these matters - which seems to go out of the window when the 'yellow coats' come out. (It seems that they could have handled this a whole lot better). This would put the cost of the coach up!

2) At the expense of our own time and enjoyment, some of us 'senior' supporters take the time to explain to these lads the reason to calm down and the consequences of not doing so (i.e. you may be ejected - and barred from Belle Vue if you don't!)

Don't appreciate the problems these lads bring, but they're not the first and won't be the last - so we have to deal with it.

BUT, the way the 'yellow coats' deal with it is NOT the answer - it too is 'antagonistic'!

Too right, i did think of leaving this locked but we can't hide from it, it needs dealing with so so outcome is to the clubs benefit.

I think the lads will try to ensure this does not happen again and appreciate that we want them as part of the fan group, a bit of thought for others goes a long way.

: Sun Apr 19, 2009 11:09 am  

I think the we all hate ull chant was coming from frustration in the first half due to, a wrong decision from the ref, the stewards maybe and the hull fans moaning evertime we made a tackle or everytime we passed the ball there was a cry of forward and i could see many folk getting rather annoyed and joined in with that chant!