Re: Moving From Belle Vue.. : Thu Jul 07, 2016 1:46 pm  

As I don't live in Wakefield, I only know of Peter Box from what I see on here (which isn't good!)

If I try to be as neutral as possible, Box's obligations aren't to the club or to Yorkcourt but to the financial welfare of Wakefield Council and the council tax payers, most of whom have no interest in rugby league. If a situation arises where Yorkcourt won't comply with their unilateral undertaking, the council has got the option of paying legal bills to enforce it, or not. I can imagine a scenario where the council feels, due to the cuts and other financial dire straits, that they just cannot afford to enforce it, and on the whole they are glad to have done something to create jobs.

What I am surprised at, if it is down to Box's intransigence, is that he has not done more as a rugby league fan. As a league fan, I'd love nothing more than for every club to prosper and in great facilities.

Re: Moving From Belle Vue.. : Thu Jul 07, 2016 2:04 pm  

Hang on there Slugger. The 106 is a tax on a planning gain . The developer pays it by way of providing a public facility, in this case a community stadium. It could have been a school, surgery, etc. The public are loosing millions. Box can't just sit by and say so what I can't be bothered to enforce this, it could cost too much to take to court.

Re: Moving From Belle Vue.. : Thu Jul 07, 2016 2:15 pm  

Prince Buster wrote:

Hang on there Slugger. The 106 is a tax on a planning gain . The developer pays it by way of providing a public facility, in this case a community stadium. It could have been a school, surgery, etc. The public are loosing millions. Box can't just sit by and say so what I can't be bothered to enforce this, it could cost too much to take to court.

I've said many a time had it been a school/hospital then this wouldn't have got as far as it has. Regardless of anything, even if YC wanted to play ball, they is no money to fund a stadium.

Re: Moving From Belle Vue.. : Thu Jul 07, 2016 3:05 pm  

Slugger McBatt wrote:

As I don't live in Wakefield, I only know of Peter Box from what I see on here (which isn't good!)

If I try to be as neutral as possible, Box's obligations aren't to the club or to Yorkcourt but to the financial welfare of Wakefield Council and the council tax payers, most of whom have no interest in rugby league. If a situation arises where Yorkcourt won't comply with their unilateral undertaking, the council has got the option of paying legal bills to enforce it, or not. I can imagine a scenario where the council feels, due to the cuts and other financial dire straits, that they just cannot afford to enforce it, and on the whole they are glad to have done something to create jobs.

What I am surprised at, if it is down to Box's intransigence, is that he has not done more as a rugby league fan. As a league fan, I'd love nothing more than for every club to prosper and in great facilities.

I don't know much about planning obligations or legal matters to be honest so this may be completely wrong but IF we do decide to mount a legal challenge my guess that that would be against the Council as they are the ones that SHOULD have enforced the SoS decision, so the Council are going to end up footing legal bills anyway aren't they?

Re: Moving From Belle Vue.. : Thu Jul 07, 2016 3:35 pm  

Fordy wrote:

I don't know much about planning obligations or legal matters to be honest so this may be completely wrong but IF we do decide to mount a legal challenge my guess that that would be against the Council as they are the ones that SHOULD have enforced the SoS decision, so the Council are going to end up footing legal bills anyway aren't they?

If nothing else, a legal challenge will mean lawyers looking into the saga in more detail which might get a few people sweating. I don't think it will deliver a stadium but perhaps some overdue comeuppance.

Re: Moving From Belle Vue.. : Thu Jul 07, 2016 3:37 pm  

Fordy wrote:

I don't know much about planning obligations or legal matters to be honest so this may be completely wrong but IF we do decide to mount a legal challenge my guess that that would be against the Council as they are the ones that SHOULD have enforced the SoS decision, so the Council are going to end up footing legal bills anyway aren't they?

That would be my guess. Only someone party to an agreement can take action, but public bodies can have action taken against them for their actions, or inactions.

Re: Moving From Belle Vue.. : Thu Jul 07, 2016 5:10 pm  

I see the Council are signalling the virtues of the 106 agreements with the proposed 5 towns Park development. I take nothing away from Cas they've made it work were we've failed. The difference between the councils reaction to each developments is nothing short of a scandal. If the Council were really doing there job we could of had 2 modern state of art stadiums in the district very soon. Coun Jeffery said: “The total value of community benefit measures to be funded by Lateral, and which will be secured under the Section 106 legal planning agreement, are now in excess of £35 million, including the new Castleford Tigers Community Stadium. “In uncertain times, this investment in the Five Towns must be welcomed with open arms.” Read more: http://www.pontefractandcastlefordexpre ... z4DkA3KbGn

I see the Council are signalling the virtues of the 106 agreements with the proposed 5 towns Park development. I take nothing away from Cas they've made it work were we've failed. The difference between the councils reaction to each developments is nothing short of a scandal. If the Council were really doing there job we could of had 2 modern state of art stadiums in the district very soon. Coun Jeffery said: “The total value of community benefit measures to be funded by Lateral, and which will be secured under the Section 106 legal planning agreement, are now in excess of £35 million, including the new Castleford Tigers Community Stadium. “In uncertain times, this investment in the Five Towns must be welcomed with open arms.” Read more: http://www.pontefractandcastlefordexpre ... z4DkA3KbGn

Re: Moving From Belle Vue.. : Thu Jul 07, 2016 6:19 pm  

Believe me Slugger. Box is a dictator who has no time for anyone who disagrees with him (that includes the citizens of Wakefield and his staff). He is surrounded by his lackies who dare not disobey him. His obvious bias towards Castleford (both RLFC and the town) is obvious to a blind man. As for his first allegiance being to the council tax payers of Wakefield who have no interest in rugby league, then why does the city council run a golf course (minority sport) and a swimming pool and leisure centre (other minority sports)? I'm sure neither of those are profit making. Wakefield Trinity over the years have put an otherwise anonymous city on the map. Also, what about the Hepworth Centre? Need I say more.
The apathy of the Wakefield people to their rugby club is somewhat disappointing. You only have to go to Castleford any day of the week and every other person, including women, seem to be wearing some item of club clothing. They have a keen interest in their club. Both our towns have a similar heritage so why the difference? A Dewsbury move is surely a no go; a real retrograde step. I never thought I'd say it, but I'm almost willing to settle for a ground share with Cas.

Re: Moving From Belle Vue.. : Thu Jul 07, 2016 6:43 pm  

deeHell wrote: I see the Council are signalling the virtues of the 106 agreements with the proposed 5 towns Park development. I take nothing away from Cas they've made it work were we've failed. The difference between the councils reaction to each developments is nothing short of a scandal. If the Council were really doing there job we could of had 2 modern state of art stadiums in the district very soon. Coun Jeffery said:“In uncertain times, this investment in the Five Towns must be welcomed with open arms.” Read more: http://www.pontefractandcastlefordexpre ... z4DkA3KbGn When did the stadium become a 'community' stadium?

deeHell wrote: I see the Council are signalling the virtues of the 106 agreements with the proposed 5 towns Park development. I take nothing away from Cas they've made it work were we've failed. The difference between the councils reaction to each developments is nothing short of a scandal. If the Council were really doing there job we could of had 2 modern state of art stadiums in the district very soon. Coun Jeffery said:“In uncertain times, this investment in the Five Towns must be welcomed with open arms.” Read more: http://www.pontefractandcastlefordexpre ... z4DkA3KbGn When did the stadium become a 'community' stadium?

Re: Moving From Belle Vue.. : Thu Jul 07, 2016 7:24 pm  

Wouldn't want anything to do with Newmarket or York Court now time to make public all thats gone on with this development and move on. Move to Dewsbury if needs be regather and get looking for a better site better situated in the City of Wakefield and there are plenty of ideal community stadium sites. I know people were saying it was Newmarket or Nothing but look how that's turned out 7 wasted years. Under Carter the club has a lot more friends and connections than we have had previously and although hard in this current climate if we conduct ourselves in the right manner other better opportunities may arise.

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