Re: Swap Deal : Tue Mar 28, 2023 11:43 pm  

What pisses me off the most about this is not that fact of losing Corey, we don’t know his circumstances and what he or his agent wanted etc. It’s the fact that most fans were bleating about signing Shaul when he was offered on a plate, Shaul wanted to come, he was great for us when he played. He would of added great depth and competition to that FB spot. Instead we’ve been left with quite possibly the worst deal in RL history since Eddie Stobart sponsored SL for free.

I know we are on a shoe string budget but our preparation has been absolutely mickey poor clearly, and just smacks of pure desperation now, 1 injury to our FB and then we’ve had to offload our best talent to make up for it.

Re: Swap Deal : Wed Mar 29, 2023 6:28 am  

King Street Cat wrote:

We've scored 43 points in 6 games. I don't think fullback is our biggest issue.

A fullback is probably the most influential player in attack these days.

Kay has done an adequate job catching the ball and tackling….but that is no longer the job of a 1.

Without a specialist 1 our attack is always going to struggle as they play as the third creative pivot and are relied on to create a lot of assists by nearly every club.

I’m not a betting man but when Max returns I can see him moving to 6 with Dagger at 1 which will give us more pace and threat in the backline than we have had all year.

Re: Swap Deal : Wed Mar 29, 2023 6:49 am  

He isn't actually, that bad a player. He's been behind the pecking order of one of the best full backs in super league.

Good luck Will, despite all the negativity, around this.

Re: Swap Deal : Wed Mar 29, 2023 7:01 am  

Eastern Wildcat wrote:

He isn't actually, that bad a player. He's been behind the pecking order of one of the best full backs in super league.

Good luck Will, despite all the negativity, around this.

He’s a very good player.

He’s on a par with Hall in my opinion if not ahead.

It’s ironic we are getting slated for some fans for swapping a fist team player for a reserve team player…when what is actually happening is we are getting a player who goes into our first team and Hull are getting a player who joins their reserves unless they get injuries in the centre.

Re: Swap Deal : Wed Mar 29, 2023 7:05 am  

It's no so much signing Dagger, I don't know enough about him to judge him, but losing Hall is a blow to me. OK he hasn't set the world on fire this season so far, but who in the team has?
It doesn't mean he's lost all the ability he showed last years.
I wouldn't have cared as much if a cash adjustment came out way but as it is HKR have got some of our young talent again at a bargain price.They must have a grin as wide as the Humber estuary.

Re: Swap Deal : Wed Mar 29, 2023 8:49 am  

jonh wrote:

A fullback is probably the most influential player in attack these days.

Kay has done an adequate job catching the ball and tackling….but that is no longer the job of a 1.

Without a specialist 1 our attack is always going to struggle as they play as the third creative pivot and are relied on to create a lot of assists by nearly every club.

I’m not a betting man but when Max returns I can see him moving to 6 with Dagger at 1 which will give us more pace and threat in the backline than we have had all year.

Just what I was thinking, jonh....Max has played 6 before and done quite a good job IIRC, so if Smith doesn't cut the mustard there, then at least we have another attacking option when Max does come back

Re: Swap Deal : Wed Mar 29, 2023 10:08 am  

FIL wrote:

Just what I was thinking, jonh....Max has played 6 before and done quite a good job IIRC, so if Smith doesn't cut the mustard there, then at least we have another attacking option when Max does come back

Smith will not get a go at six until Gaskell is injured again ,. Said in a post that max should play 6 but will not ,for same reason as Smith

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Re: Swap Deal : Wed Mar 29, 2023 10:18 am  

For all we know, this 'deal' may well save the club.
I don't like that we had to do it and different decisions in the past may have avoided it but we are where we are.

No one liked it when Spencer and Lyons went to Leeds but that deal absolutely saved us.

I almost don't care how many Sts beat us by if they do. I want the game to be used as prep for the attack against Cas. We have to win that game and we wouldn't have won it without a fullback. We need to give him all the opportunity he needs to gel with the team.

Re: Swap Deal : Wed Mar 29, 2023 10:25 am  

PopTart wrote:

For all we know, this 'deal' may well save the club.
I don't like that we had to do it and different decisions in the past may have avoided it but we are where we are.

No one liked it when Spencer and Lyons went to Leeds but that deal absolutely saved us.

I almost don't care how many Sts beat us by if they do. I want the game to be used as prep for the attack against Cas. We have to win that game and we wouldn't have won it without a fullback. We need to give him all the opportunity he needs to gel with the team.

When Spencer went to Leeds we got 5 players for him .Including one of the best centres we have ever had at the club Toppo did us proud with that deal

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Re: Swap Deal : Wed Mar 29, 2023 11:06 am  

alegend wrote:

When Spencer went to Leeds we got 5 players for him .Including one of the best centres we have ever had at the club Toppo did us proud with that deal

But none were wanted at Leeds.
They got Spencer and Lyons
We got Rayne, Fox, Mason and Conway. All in Leeds opinion not worthy of first team rugby.

As you say, best deal ever, but no-one wanted to lose Spencer or Lyons. They were young and the best players we had.