Re: Belle Vue back on? : Sat Dec 23, 2017 6:31 pm  

vastman wrote:

What's your point, I try hard to get most but that's gone straight over my head.

My point is that I was looking at things purely from me being a supporter of the club - I was actually accepting what you said! I think your in battle mode Vasty!

Re: Belle Vue back on? : Sat Dec 23, 2017 6:34 pm  

vastman wrote:

Look Eastern you're entitled to your opinion but before you dismiss mine so quickly with your trite comments let me give you an object lesson.

In 2004 Prince Buster and myself suggested the idea of a supporters group to pursue a community stadium.

The much-maligned Ted Richardson quickly realised that an independent supporter’s group would have far more impact persuading the council for support than the club alone.

Hence SWAG was born and with the addition of TRB and Jinjer and with the club supporting in the background we started all this.

SWAG is the forerunner to todays Trust in case you're wondering.

For the first five years I was on the coalface and I travelled miles and spent literally hundreds of hours working on the SWAG agenda.

In that time I met with numerous Council representatives including Box, Jeffery's and Clive Hudson and all three at various times looked me in the eye and said Ossett was a goer, Thornes was a certainty whist NM simply couldn't fail.

I know what snakes these people are from first hand experience and I’m sorry but you simply don't.

I've heard this all before and I see no more validity to this than any other - you just see what you want to see.

However what truly offends me and if you weren’t so insular it would offend you is that this even if it happens is totally unsatisfactory in reality.

Just because we get what we want and I always wanted to stay at BV if possible a huge swindle will have taken place - why don't you get that.

Acres of valuable green belt has been conned into the hands of a private investor who will simply not deliver anything like what he promised but will make millions.

Our council has been complicit in this.

Where are all the other facilities Eastern? Where are the plastic pitches the sports halls and all the other community facilities? Hell where is the car parking!

You're being robbed blind and you just can't see it. I didn't sign up for this. I'm happy enough with he BV element should it ever actually happen which I doubt but what about the rest, do we let them walk away scott free?

In all conscience I can't because I'm complicit in this. I helped make people believe they were getting something they are clearly not. I don't blame the club for taking whatever is on offer but the people of WMDC should be up in arms. I'll say again you're being robbed blind and a lot of people have been stitched up - not least the residents of NM.

You go justify to them why instead of a wonderful community facility on their doorstep they now have numerous monstrosities to look at.

You need to think a little more and see past the obvious. I don't think you and others on here are bad people but I do think there is far too much self-interest and way to many blind eyes.

It still stinks, end of.

I've no interest in Chissitt's opinions but even if I have he's not in this discussion is he.

You got that absolutely spot on and when the development finishes at NM their mark up will be about 60million . Not bad when someone else has done all the ground work for nothing.

Re: Belle Vue back on? : Sat Dec 23, 2017 6:40 pm  

Trinity1315 wrote:

My point is that I was looking at things purely from me being a supporter of the club - I was actually accepting what you said! I think your in battle mode Vasty!

No I'm not I just didn't get it but I'm trying quite hard to do so at the moment.

Re: Belle Vue back on? : Sat Dec 23, 2017 6:59 pm  

What other option did the did the club have, that ensured we had a SL standard stadium in our great City? We could/have waited years for what was promised ended up with nothing and the club playing out of Wakefield in a lower league. It's not perfect but I'm happier than I was a few weeks ago.

Up the Trin

Re: Belle Vue back on? : Sat Dec 23, 2017 7:03 pm  

Got to agree with vasty on this one, prime green belt has been released.
The council and developers were all up for a Community Stadium, because Wakefield have a track record of stumbling from one crisis to another.
When it looked like we would drop out of SL, until Crusaders folded, I bet the council and developers were rubbing their hands together but we limped along, with not much happening with NM, then when we had to sell our players to balance the books, the Council and developers had another chance to feel optimistic about developing the land.
The simple crux of the matter, is that, if Wakefield were not in SL, the land at NM would be bursting at the seams with development at this time.

Re: Belle Vue back on? : Sat Dec 23, 2017 8:37 pm  

What I wonder is, if yorkcourt applied for full planning for the rest of the units at Newmarket development which triggers the 12m stadium where's that money going if we stay at belle vue?

Re: Belle Vue back on? : Sat Dec 23, 2017 9:01 pm  

You are not happy because an agreement is in place to redevelop Belle Vue which will be for the use of WT. I presume funding is in place and we know the owner of BV is in agreement and yet you are also not happy that the council are not providing WT with a community stadium.
I also note that some of you are now concerned with the ratepayers of Wakefield which is new. I bet if I was a slightly bit interested in your historical posts I will find some criticising the council for not supporting the club to redevelop BV like Halton did for Widnes.
I am accused of having a personal vendetta but I would suggest some of you take a look in the mirror because it appears you would prefer to see the club’s demise away from Wakefield just to come on here to say I told you so.
For example how many times have I read “just look what I said about Glover I know when someone is spouting rubbish, I presume because you are experienced in that particular field.
With regards SWAG was this not initially set up by Ted to be his mouthpiece he could control where the supporters club he could not.

Re: Belle Vue back on? : Sat Dec 23, 2017 9:30 pm  

Oh goody the Council lackey's turned up.

Re: Belle Vue back on? : Sat Dec 23, 2017 9:42 pm  

Scarlet Pimpernell wrote:

You are not happy because an agreement is in place to redevelop Belle Vue which will be for the use of WT. I presume funding is in place and we know the owner of BV is in agreement and yet you are also not happy that the council are not providing WT with a community stadium.
I also note that some of you are now concerned with the ratepayers of Wakefield which is new. I bet if I was a slightly bit interested in your historical posts I will find some criticising the council for not supporting the club to redevelop BV like Halton did for Widnes.
I am accused of having a personal vendetta but I would suggest some of you take a look in the mirror because it appears you would prefer to see the club’s demise away from Wakefield just to come on here to say I told you so.
For example how many times have I read “just look what I said about Glover I know when someone is spouting rubbish, I presume because you are experienced in that particular field.
With regards SWAG was this not initially set up by Ted to be his mouthpiece he could control where the supporters club he could not.

I've mentioned the bigger picture of the extra facilities that we wouldn't get numerous times, before the Belle Vue development came on the table and when it fell through and so have others so quit the bull. Go back and look at my posts to you to check if you want.

Re: Belle Vue back on? : Sat Dec 23, 2017 10:00 pm  

Willzay wrote:

Oh goody the Council lackey's turned up.

Ah the Captain Vastman and his gang’s lackey turns up.