: Wed Sep 23, 2009 9:55 am  

Khlav Kalash wrote:

One solution I’ve recently thought of is encrypting the Sky signal so that where ever the game is live from, the local areas population are unable to view it from their homes.

And accept a reduction in the Sky contract next time round?

: Wed Sep 23, 2009 10:03 am  

Johnoco wrote:

Yes but they don't do that for other sports do they and they seem to still get bums on seats. For important games anyway.

Believe it or not, I have a lot of time for Wakey as a club, I am just concerned at the message it gives out to get such a poor crowd for a big game.

Why don’t Sky show any football games on a Saturday at 3pm? It’s to protect the crowd figures at all football clubs who play at that time.

To be honest I don’t think anyone other then RL fans are particularly bothered by attendances. I don’t think it particularly sends out any sort of message other then Wakefield hardcore is support is about 4-5K. All four play off games were poorly attended, with reflection upon hardcore average with no away support it stands up well to the other matches.

£18 is too much money for a casual supporter to spend when they can watch for free at home or in the pub. Poor crowd, yes, a game to whet the appetite of those other then hardcore support, no.

: Wed Sep 23, 2009 10:06 am  

t-r-i-n-i-t-y wrote:

And accept a reduction in the Sky contract next time round?

Why would a reduction be on the cards, they still broadcast the match, Sky subscribers will still be paying for it and have access to Sky Sports, they don’t lose any money.

: Wed Sep 23, 2009 10:09 am  

t-r-i-n-i-t-y wrote:

And accept a reduction in the Sky contract next time round?

Why would that happen?

: Wed Sep 23, 2009 10:09 am  

Khlav Kalash wrote: Why don’t Sky show any football games on a Saturday at 3pm? It’s to protect the crowd figures at all football clubs who play at that time. Of course, and is a UEFA rule - http://www.uefa.com/uefa/News/Kind=8192/newsId=19817.html - but that is different from what you are proposing. The contract between the RFL/SL and BSkyB takes into account that some fans will stay away and watch at home - that's why they pay the amount they do - same with football, union and other sports. It is then down to the clubs, who all have these community and marketing departments, to sell these games to the public as that by going to the match they are getting some extra you can't get by watching at home or staying in the pub. Khlav Kalash wrote: Why would a reduction be on the cards, they still broadcast the match, Sky subscribers will still be paying for it and have access to Sky Sports, they don’t lose any money. Because the potential number of viewers, which they sell advertising based on, is reduced.

Khlav Kalash wrote: Why don’t Sky show any football games on a Saturday at 3pm? It’s to protect the crowd figures at all football clubs who play at that time. Of course, and is a UEFA rule - http://www.uefa.com/uefa/News/Kind=8192/newsId=19817.html - but that is different from what you are proposing. The contract between the RFL/SL and BSkyB takes into account that some fans will stay away and watch at home - that's why they pay the amount they do - same with football, union and other sports. It is then down to the clubs, who all have these community and marketing departments, to sell these games to the public as that by going to the match they are getting some extra you can't get by watching at home or staying in the pub. Khlav Kalash wrote: Why would a reduction be on the cards, they still broadcast the match, Sky subscribers will still be paying for it and have access to Sky Sports, they don’t lose any money. Because the potential number of viewers, which they sell advertising based on, is reduced.

: Wed Sep 23, 2009 10:16 am  

t-r-i-n-i-t-y wrote: Of course, and is a UEFA rule - http://www.uefa.com/uefa/News/Kind=8192/newsId=19817.html - but that is different from what you are proposing. The contract between the RFL/SL and BSkyB takes into account that some fans will stay away and watch at home - that's why they pay the amount they do - same with football, union and other sports. It is then down to the clubs, who all have these community and marketing departments, to sell these games to the public as that by going to the match they are getting some extra you can't get by watching at home or staying in the pub. Because the potential number of viewers, which they sell advertising based on, is reduced. Believe me I don’t propose to take away the clubs responsibility to market the games and entice support through whatever means, it just takes away the easy option for people to stay at home and watch on TV no matter what offers the club puts on. Anyhow it was just an idea and I’m sure it has many flaws.

t-r-i-n-i-t-y wrote: Of course, and is a UEFA rule - http://www.uefa.com/uefa/News/Kind=8192/newsId=19817.html - but that is different from what you are proposing. The contract between the RFL/SL and BSkyB takes into account that some fans will stay away and watch at home - that's why they pay the amount they do - same with football, union and other sports. It is then down to the clubs, who all have these community and marketing departments, to sell these games to the public as that by going to the match they are getting some extra you can't get by watching at home or staying in the pub. Because the potential number of viewers, which they sell advertising based on, is reduced. Believe me I don’t propose to take away the clubs responsibility to market the games and entice support through whatever means, it just takes away the easy option for people to stay at home and watch on TV no matter what offers the club puts on. Anyhow it was just an idea and I’m sure it has many flaws.

: Wed Sep 23, 2009 10:18 am  

Khlav Kalash wrote:

£18 is too much money for a casual supporter to spend when they can watch for free at home or in the pub. Poor crowd, yes, a game to whet the appetite of those other then hardcore support, no.

But it costs about that to go and see Bradford City (if you pay on the gate) and that's hardly top flight.

Either RL fans are skint or tightwads or both!

: Wed Sep 23, 2009 10:28 am  

Johnoco wrote:

But it costs about that to go and see Bradford City (if you pay on the gate) and that's hardly top flight.

Either RL fans are skint or tightwads or both!

How much is a season ticket for Bradford City though? £100? With a season ticket that price an expensive match day attendance is needed to make up the loss.

… and again comparing football crowds to RL is pointless.

: Wed Sep 23, 2009 6:09 pm  

Khlav Kalash wrote:

… and again comparing football crowds to RL is pointless.

In direct numbers yes, but on a pro-rata basis we should be doing a lot better.

: Thu Sep 24, 2009 10:36 am  

chapster wrote:

ok heres my thoughts

1.
club shop must be relocated, and art present theres plenty of options, my personal favourite being a deal with an existing town centre sports shop , (even if its jjb) for a corner of their location, from this we base promotions, peiople like us could gwt involved as volunteers to a captive pre xmas audience, in the case of season tickets and shirts. If not this at least rent a unit up to xmas and have all the things people want available, discounted season tickets home and away shirts, naked pictures of players etc etc!

2
Players to be available to these units to sign photos, books, shirts pose for pics etc on rota basis, but any big names ie tronc, newton, millard paraded in town centre, ok nicked his from puffball but its works and earns.

3
Family deals for every games to include season ticket holders, felt for one posrter on here last night when he pointed out it cost 72 quid a game for him to take family, if youe a regular and can prove it (loyalty card anyone???) you get 3 home stamps for example you get 2 free kids tickets for next game, what would it hurt??? in fact maybe a loyalty card scheme anyway ?????

4
nothing, there is noooooooooo fourth thing!

where's the 72 quid from ? 2 adults and 2 kids = £46 if tickets bought prior to game day ! with only £3 worth of fuel required then it can't have been that hard..or purchase over t'internet!