Why can't we count : Sat Aug 19, 2023 7:59 pm  

Looking from the north stand I was shocked how easily cas scored from the scrum at half time. Looking at the try on TV we got our numbers wrong . Cas set up with 4 attackers on the left and two on the right but we set up 3 and 3. Not only that but Jowitt was in the scrum in the loose forward position making it impossible for him to get across once they got quick ball from the scrum . I am no coach these are professional players surely they should know that you mirror the opposition set up at a scrum when you are defending or they automatically have an overlap and why is our full back not in the defensive line?

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Re: Why can't we count : Sat Aug 19, 2023 8:21 pm  

That's all on the full back in my opinion.
They are the one to manage that numbering up.
I was in the flats and saw it and shouted it out but of course it was too late.
It wasn't the only time either.
It is a big flaw in Max's game and I don't understand why.

We should still have stopped the try though.

Re: Why can't we count : Sat Aug 19, 2023 9:09 pm  

We did exactly the same last year when played Catalan the last time at home. I also saw it from the north stand too soft by far, they should number up it's not rocket science.

Re: Why can't we count : Sat Aug 19, 2023 9:45 pm  

Hopwood wrote:

Looking from the north stand I was shocked how easily cas scored from the scrum at half time. Looking at the try on TV we got our numbers wrong . Cas set up with 4 attackers on the left and two on the right but we set up 3 and 3. Not only that but Jowitt was in the scrum in the loose forward position making it impossible for him to get across once they got quick ball from the scrum . I am no coach these are professional players surely they should know that you mirror the opposition set up at a scrum when you are defending or they automatically have an overlap and why is our full back not in the defensive line?

I haven’t looked at this specific incident but it’s not always appropriate to defend with equal numbers to the attackers.
Sometimes teams will put an extra attacker on one side to entice the defending team to do the same. If they do then it might open up space on the other side of the field and if a team has quality players with more speed or more power or both then that space is enough to be a threat despite the equal numbers.
For example, if a play the ball is 30m in from touch and the attacking side puts Greg Inglis and Eric Grothe on the shortside then the defending team would be stupid to just match 2 defenders opposite them. So they may put 3 on the short side leaving them one short on the open side.

Equally if there’s only 20 mars between the play the ball and the touchline a defending team might feel that 2 defenders is enough to defend that space and doesn’t require a 3rd defender even if the attacking side puts 3 on that side.

Sometimes it’s not about matching numbers but defending the space

I hope that I’ve explained that well

Re: Why can't we count : Sat Aug 19, 2023 9:56 pm  

PopTart wrote:

That's all on the full back in my opinion.
They are the one to manage that numbering up.
I was in the flats and saw it and shouted it out but of course it was too late.
It wasn't the only time either.
It is a big flaw in Max's game and I don't understand why.

We should still have stopped the try though.

100% correct, it is the Full Backs job and again correct that it’s a weakness in Maxs game.
It’s a fundamental and essential element to the teams management and any Full Back that isn’t good at it is missing a vital skill that the position demands

Re: Why can't we count : Sun Aug 20, 2023 8:33 am  

Would help if our backs were not so slow,.what ever the call to slow to get across Castleford murdered us wide out

Re: Why can't we count : Sun Aug 20, 2023 11:26 am  

I'd suggest some of you posters go on sky sports and watch the highlights again from the start.
Leading to the first try lino no confidence in himself or the players around him shooting out of the line leaving lynn in no man's land, shall I stay or go.
Edens first all backing off near line, lino main culprit. Scrum try lynn stuck in no man's land took wrong man and line backing off again. Long range try poor chase and poor one on one misses. Edens 3rd backing off again. Looks like no one trusts each other

Re: Why can't we count : Thu Aug 24, 2023 10:24 am  

Watch Lino, as Cas come forward Lino retreats back. If the next man out goes up Miller goes through the gap. Lino not pressuring Miller is the catalyst for this try. Bloke is truly woeful in both attack and defence.

Re: Why can't we count : Thu Aug 24, 2023 10:36 am  

Uptoncat wrote:

Watch Lino, as Cas come forward Lino retreats back. If the next man out goes up Miller goes through the gap. Lino not pressuring Miller is the catalyst for this try. Bloke is truly woeful in both attack and defence.

Mash must see something that us armchair coaches don't. I mean I know some of us played the game but he is a professional, we (mostly) wren't / aren't.

Lino does seem untouchable though, walking back into a functioning team after injury at first and every opportunity.

Re: Why can't we count : Thu Aug 24, 2023 11:00 am  

BackSeatCoach wrote:

Mash must see something that us armchair coaches don't. I mean I know some of us played the game but he is a professional, we (mostly) wren't / aren't.

Lino does seem untouchable though, walking back into a functioning team after injury at first and every opportunity.

And he got a contract extension, meaning he's here another three years...