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Re: Ground Improvements : Sun Nov 17, 2024 1:54 pm  
The north isn't hindered by the new part. It's the roof that causes the problem. You can't build higher without removing it.

The issue with the west is planning permission with the houses behind.
It's a big footprint with a lot of possibilities if they can solve it.

I know they are working on it but don't know the range of what the want to do. They've discussed a few different ideas.
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Re: Ground Improvements : Sun Nov 17, 2024 2:19 pm  
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The north isn't hindered by the new part. It's the roof that causes the problem. You can't build higher without removing it.

The issue with the west is planning permission with the houses behind.
It's a big footprint with a lot of possibilities if they can solve it.

I know they are working on it but don't know the range of what the want to do. They've discussed a few different ideas.


Could the PP be assisted with the fact that once upon a time a stand, quite a big one, if I recall, was there previously, for a lot of years.
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Re: Ground Improvements : Sun Nov 17, 2024 3:08 pm  
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Could the PP be assisted with the fact that once upon a time a stand, quite a big one, if I recall, was there previously, for a lot of years.


I thought that but they say it's still going to be a problem.
No idea what that problem would be though, in terms of hight or length etc.
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Re: Ground Improvements : Sun Nov 17, 2024 3:35 pm  
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I thought that but they say it's still going to be a problem.
No idea what that problem would be though, in terms of hight or length etc.


I walked past this morning with the dog, looking from the outside of the north stand. If that was extended back, and was to incorporate new turnstiles, there could be works required too, to the boubdary wall, which could impact use of that ginnell
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Re: Ground Improvements : Sun Nov 17, 2024 4:21 pm  
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I thought that but they say it's still going to be a problem.
No idea what that problem would be though, in terms of hight or length etc.

Who says? Can’t see planning being a problem.

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Re: Ground Improvements : Sun Nov 17, 2024 4:25 pm  
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The north isn't hindered by the new part. It's the roof that causes the problem. You can't build higher without removing it.

The issue with the west is planning permission with the houses behind.
It's a big footprint with a lot of possibilities if they can solve it.

I know they are working on it but don't know the range of what the want to do. They've discussed a few different ideas.


Think eventually the North Stand will have another block of terrace at the rear and a new roof with refreshment facilities at both corners.
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Re: Ground Improvements : Sun Nov 17, 2024 4:32 pm  
Those houses on the West side are quite a way from the ground, I dont see an issue provided the stand is not really too high. After all there are houses which are nearer the new East stand and also behind the boxes and a stand or structure no higher than those would easily be be sufficient.
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Re: Ground Improvements : Sun Nov 17, 2024 6:32 pm  
Planning permission would not be a huge issue, mainly because precedents have already been set. This is how planning and the law in the U.K. tends to work.

There was an existing structure there up until 1987. It was a fairly tall structure, but most importantly it was there long before the houses.

Then in 1990 the old boxes were erected, which again are quite tall. Not long after a TV gantry was added. So at no point have most of those houses not had some obstructed view from the rugby ground.

Added to this the gardens are very long and at no point would a stand similar in height to the old stand deprive less than 50% of the garden area of sunlight for more than a few hours a day.

It would be hard to argue that a new stand, even a relatively tall one would have a significant effect. If done sympathetically it would be very easy to argue that a new stand would vastly improve the residents outlook.

The only issue would be capacity. Due to noise and access issues you’d struggle to get a big increase. I think the most the planners would go for would be around what it is now, max maybe 3,000 at a push. However with the edition of boxes and bars and maybe a media suit on a second level you’d probably offset the potential loss and make the stand a viable proposition.

A clever architect and an even smarter planning specialist would easily push that through. Especially as we now have a far more sympathetic council. As we know, Ellis only buys the best

Finally let’s not forget that we have the South end of the ground. There is easily enough room for a 3-5,000 capacity stand there depending on the configuration should we ever need it. So we are very lucky in that respect.
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Re: Ground Improvements : Sun Nov 17, 2024 7:01 pm  
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Planning permission would not be a huge issue, mainly because precedents have already been set. This is how planning and the law in the U.K. tends to work.

There was an existing structure there up until 1987. It was a fairly tall structure, but most importantly it was there long before the houses.

Then in 1990 the old boxes were erected, which again are quite tall. Not long after a TV gantry was added. So at no point have most of those houses not had some obstructed view from the rugby ground.

Added to this the gardens are very long and at no point would a stand similar in height to the old stand deprive less than 50% of the garden area of sunlight for more than a few hours a day.

It would be hard to argue that a new stand, even a relatively tall one would have a significant effect. If done sympathetically it would be very easy to argue that a new stand would vastly improve the residents outlook.

The only issue would be capacity. Due to noise and access issues you’d struggle to get a big increase. I think the most the planners would go for would be around what it is now, max maybe 3,000 at a push. However with the edition of boxes and bars and maybe a media suit on a second level you’d probably offset the potential loss and make the stand a viable proposition.

A clever architect and an even smarter planning specialist would easily push that through. Especially as we now have a far more sympathetic council. As we know, Ellis only buys the best

Finally let’s not forget that we have the South end of the ground. There is easily enough room for a 3-5,000 capacity stand there depending on the configuration should we ever need it. So we are very lucky in that respect.

Totally correct on all points. Problems getting planning for a reasonable sized stand is a myth
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Re: Ground Improvements : Sun Nov 17, 2024 7:28 pm  
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Totally correct on all points. Problems getting planning for a reasonable sized stand is a myth


That's what I thought too, including what you mentioned regarding the south stand.

However, I have next to no experience within technicalities on building regulations.
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