Re: NFL Chat 2 : Fri Jan 15, 2010 2:45 pm  

ST_CONROY wrote:

Or trying to cover up for his referees ala Stuart Cummins. The rule he says is correct ie it is pulling or twisting, but i think he is wrong to say there is none. Adams is in constant contact with the facemask and pulls Rodgers to the ground by it. As Rodgers attempts to turn to recapture the ball he can't because Adams has his helemt so it twists and that is why it ends up kicked.

Also he doesn't actually say what the correct call would be. He just says they wouldn't have overturned the call, no matter what the call, from the replay booth.


Yep, he refused to talk about the facemask. I'm not trying to make excuses, we lost because of a terrible first quarter and a shocking defence for the whole of the game. There is no telling whether we win the game anyway if they call it or whether we deserved to win the game, but i think it's pretty clear that play should not have ended the game.


Yeah, incidental facemask was removed 2008 i think and now all facemasks are 15 yards ie the ones under the remaining rule.

Well ifs and buts and all that. Was a corker of a game. Thought you said earlier in the thread that the Pack were robbed? I stand to be corrected though.

Looks like that All-Pro team has been picked on name. AP has had an average season for me and yet has got in ahead of Jackson, Jones and MJD.

Re: NFL Chat 2 : Fri Jan 15, 2010 3:11 pm  

El Pac Carnegie wrote:

Well ifs and buts and all that. Was a corker of a game. Thought you said earlier in the thread that the Pack were robbed? I stand to be corrected though.

I probably did in anger but i'll quantify it. I'm not going to claim we were robbed of the game. We were robbed of our chance to win in OT by 2 major missed calls (helmet to helmet and facemask) which would both advance us 15 yards and retain the ball. Whether that is "homer" refereeing/bias/ineptness or whatever. To end such a fantastic game on a play that should not stand leaves a bitter taste.

At the same time there is no guarantee if we get the calls that we score and for the defeat we can only blame ourselves for conceeding 51 points, a totally inept defensive performance and a shocking first quarter. We can only blame ourselves for being in the position where a refs call allows me to complain, we had a shot to Jennings in OT and we blew it, we play like we should or could and we'd win. That is our fault.

Like i said, i'm not saying we were the best team (we weren't) or the team who deserved to win (debatable) but we were definately robbed of at least another shot to win because the play shouldn't stand.

I think i've made myself clear and appreciate my ramblings get quite repetative at times so i'll leave the discussion on the facemask there.

El Pac Carnegie wrote:

Looks like that All-Pro team has been picked on name. AP has had an average season for me and yet has got in ahead of Jackson, Jones and MJD.

I think MJD and Jackson are in the 2nd team. Which Jones are you on about? Felix?

Re: NFL Chat 2 : Fri Jan 15, 2010 3:34 pm  

El Pac Carnegie wrote:

Looks like that All-Pro team has been picked on name. AP has had an average season for me and yet has got in ahead of Jackson, Jones and MJD.

Actually S-Jax is in the second team. Here it is.

QB- Drew Brees
RB- Ray Rice
RB- Steven Jackson
FB- LeRon "John" McLain
WR- Reggie Wayne
WR- Larry Fitzgerald
TE- Antonio Gates
T- Michael Roos
T- Jake Long
G- Logan Mankins
G- Kris Dielman
C- Andre Gurode

DE- Trent Cole
DE- Julius Peppers
DT- Darnell Docket
DT- Haloti Ngata
ILB- Brian Cushing
ILB- LaMarr Woodley
OLB- David Harris
OLB- Jon Beason
CB- Nnamdi Asomugha
CB- Asante Samuel/ Leon Hall (tie)
S- Brian Dawkins
S- Ed Reed/ Nick Collins (tie)

P- Andy Lee/ Donnie Jones (tie)
K- David Akers
KR- DeSean Jackson

Personally i have more disagreements with this team than the first team. I'd take out Gates and put in Vernon Davis (he been excellent for the 9ers). Gotskowski for Akers. I don't think Fitz, Peppers or Dawkins have had excellent season so i'd replace Fitz with Sidney Rice and the other two i'm not sure.

Re: NFL Chat 2 : Fri Jan 15, 2010 4:24 pm  

Dawkins? Seriously?

Re: NFL Chat 2 : Fri Jan 15, 2010 4:27 pm  

ST_CONROY wrote:

I probably did in anger but i'll quantify it. I'm not going to claim we were robbed of the game. We were robbed of our chance to win in OT by 2 major missed calls (helmet to helmet and facemask) which would both advance us 15 yards and retain the ball. Whether that is "homer" refereeing/bias/ineptness or whatever. To end such a fantastic game on a play that should not stand leaves a bitter taste.

At the same time there is no guarantee if we get the calls that we score and for the defeat we can only blame ourselves for conceeding 51 points, a totally inept defensive performance and a shocking first quarter. We can only blame ourselves for being in the position where a refs call allows me to complain, we had a shot to Jennings in OT and we blew it, we play like we should or could and we'd win. That is our fault.

Like i said, i'm not saying we were the best team (we weren't) or the team who deserved to win (debatable) but we were definately robbed of at least another shot to win because the play shouldn't stand.

I think i've made myself clear and appreciate my ramblings get quite repetative at times so i'll leave the discussion on the facemask there.


I think MJD and Jackson are in the 2nd team. Which Jones are you on about? Felix?

Watch out next year. Here come the Panthers.

Re: NFL Chat 2 : Fri Jan 15, 2010 4:43 pm  

ST_CONROY wrote:

I think MJD and Jackson are in the 2nd team. Which Jones are you on about? Felix?

I would hope he means Thomas Jones, one of the most underrated RBs in the game...5 consecutive 1,000 yards+ seasons, over 9,000 rushing yards in his 10 seasons in the NFL, led the AFC in rushing last season, 62 TDs...

[TimperleySaint]

Re: NFL Chat 2 : Fri Jan 15, 2010 4:47 pm  

I've been a 49ers fan for more than 20 years, and would never consider changing teams, no matter how bad they were playing ( which has been pretty bad the last few years ) or what happened off the field/behind the scenes - I wouldn't even know which other team I would consider switching too if I did decide to ever change. Started to support them back in the late 80's, when they were always on the limited Channel 4 coverage that we used to get, and got to know the names of the players/coaches etc, and have just stuck with them from there.

Re: NFL Chat 2 : Fri Jan 15, 2010 4:50 pm  

Panther 95 wrote:

Watch out next year. Here come the Panthers.

With our without Jake Delhomme ? Is Matt Moore any good ?

Re: NFL Chat 2 : Fri Jan 15, 2010 4:51 pm  

Dead Man Walking wrote:

With our without Jake Delhomme ? Is Matt Moore any good ?

That was going to be my question.

I think Carolina only need a decent game manager to be succesful. They have a potent rushing attack.

Re: NFL Chat 2 : Fri Jan 15, 2010 4:57 pm  

Dead Man Walking wrote:

With our without Jake Delhomme ? Is Matt Moore any good ?

Matt Moore finished the season very well. A quarteback rating of around 95 I think. It helps alot having two very, very good running backs. Delhomme may get released but has a big cap hit. I expect Moore to start and Peppers to be tagged. The wins we picked up towards the end of the season we had alot of players missing.