Re: NFL Chat 2 : Mon Jan 11, 2010 10:42 am  

LFCRhino wrote:

and by the looks of that picture the facemask happened after the ball came free so it wouldnt have made a difference would it?

Facemask is a facemask whenever it occurs.

Either way it should not have been a TD.

It is undeniable it was a facemask. The question is whether it came before or after Rodgers lost possession.

AFTER losing possession the Arizona get the ball but are penalised (15 yards) and have to score. With Rakers missing it earlier it wasn't guaranteed they would score.

BEFORE losing possession and it is a 15 yard penalty and we maintain possession of the ball.


I think Rodgers still has it in hand until the point the defenders hand jars down on his facemask bar. Thus remaining our ball.

Re: NFL Chat 2 : Mon Jan 11, 2010 10:55 am  

ST_CONROY wrote:

There was also a blatant helmet to helmet hit on Rodgers on the previous play to the last which would have negated our holding penalty (IIRC) meaning we wouldn't be in that position.

Also it's claimed (although i'm not sure on this one) that Fitz last TD was pass interference on him because he pushed Woodson over after the 5 yards.

ROBBED!

Offensive players are allowed to give defensive players some stick after the 5 yard boundary just not the other way round so thats why it wasn't called.

NFL rules favour offensive players remember..

Re: NFL Chat 2 : Mon Jan 11, 2010 10:58 am  

Your right if the facemask happened before Rodgers release it could have helped you win the game however if it happened after even with a 15 yard penalty I still think Warner would have got close enough for a chip shot field goal they may have even just gone for a TD knowing that Rackers was shaky on the last kick, like you say both D`s were shocking and Warner was on fire last night hopefully he can carry it on next week in New Orleans and if the Saints decide to turn up we will get another shootout

Re: NFL Chat 2 : Mon Jan 11, 2010 11:03 am  

I ned my fix of NFL I think I may have to go play on Madden

lfcbeckers on PS3 if anyone fancies kicking my ass

Re: NFL Chat 2 : Mon Jan 11, 2010 11:19 am  

ST_CONROY wrote:

There was also a blatant helmet to helmet hit on Rodgers on the previous play to the last which would have negated our holding penalty (IIRC) meaning we wouldn't be in that position.

Also it's claimed (although i'm not sure on this one) that Fitz last TD was pass interference on him because he pushed Woodson over after the 5 yards.

ROBBED!

You're quite right on all counts. The refs in both games last night were such "homers" it was appalling.

On the 2nd Fitz TD it was blatant offensive pass interference and the roughing the passer call was BS.

I guarantee you this, if its' Brady or Manning on that final play facemask gets called and a 15 yard penalty is given.

Re: NFL Chat 2 : Mon Jan 11, 2010 12:01 pm  

G1 wrote:

You're quite right on all counts. The refs in both games last night were such "homers" it was appalling.

On the 2nd Fitz TD it was blatant offensive pass interference and the roughing the passer call was BS.

I guarantee you this, if its' Brady or Manning on that final play facemask gets called and a 15 yard penalty is given.

Packers got the two 15 yarder horsecollar tackles which I thought were a bit soft tbh. I always assumed that for a horsecollar you had to be yanked backwards when tackled rather than be simply brought down while grabbing onto the collar, the latter of which happened last night.

Re: NFL Chat 2 : Mon Jan 11, 2010 12:19 pm  

G1 wrote:

I guarantee you this, if its' Brady or Manning on that final play facemask gets called and a 15 yard penalty is given.

Yep, absolutely.

Adamjk wrote:

Packers got the two 15 yarder horsecollar tackles which I thought were a bit soft tbh. I always assumed that for a horsecollar you had to be yanked backwards when tackled rather than be simply brought down while grabbing onto the collar, the latter of which happened last night.

Horsecollar is being tackled by the back inside of the shoulder pads. Yanking down is generally inidcative of it, but not always. It was expanded in 2006 to include the back of the jersey collar also. Both the tackles were horsecollar tackles, the one on Rodgers was more blatant though.

Re: NFL Chat 2 : Mon Jan 11, 2010 1:37 pm  

G1 wrote:

On the 2nd Fitz TD it was blatant offensive pass interference and the roughing the passer call was BS.

That's one of the worst non-calls for offensive pass interference I've ever seen. The DB is allowed to hold his position, the receiver has to go around him. He can't just barrel straight into him, knock him to the floor and play on.

The facemask was a 50-50 call, I thought the contact was incidental and as a result of the player swatting the ball back onto Rodgers' head rather than anything else. The helmet to helmet non-call on Berry the play before however was ridiculous.

Re: NFL Chat 2 : Mon Jan 11, 2010 1:40 pm  

Andy Gilder wrote:

That's one of the worst non-calls for offensive pass interference I've ever seen. The DB is allowed to hold his position, the receiver has to go around him. He can't just barrel straight into him, knock him to the floor and play on.

The facemask was a 50-50 call, I thought the contact was incidental and as a result of the player swatting the ball back onto Rodgers' head rather than anything else. The helmet to helmet non-call on Berry the play before however was ridiculous.

If that is right about recievers having to go around the DB then both of his TD's were OPI.

Facemask even at 50/50 would still have negated the TD.

Re: NFL Chat 2 : Mon Jan 11, 2010 4:33 pm  

Still was a hell of a game the Packers and Cardinals gave us last night. Shame the defences on each team was a joke.