Re: NFL Chat : Sat Oct 23, 2010 9:24 pm  

Adamjk wrote:

Gaslight, I can't tell if your posts are serious or you are on the wind-up.

Seriously, at no point would I pick Brett Favre over about 10 other QB's to have in a team. Montana would start with Brady as his backup, then after them 2 it's one big clump of QB's who could go anywhere between 3-10.

And if you used just the last 10 years I'd still pick at least 5 QB's over Favre, I just really don't like his "gun slinging" when that's just a fancy way of calling him an interception machine.

Re: NFL Chat : Sat Oct 23, 2010 9:32 pm  

Gaslight wrote:

Seriously, at no point would I pick Brett Favre over about 10 other QB's to have in a team. Montana would start with Brady as his backup, then after them 2 it's one big clump of QB's who could go anywhere between 3-10.

And if you used just the last 10 years I'd still pick at least 5 QB's over Favre, I just really don't like his "gun slinging" when that's just a fancy way of calling him an interception machine.

Name the ten EVER that are better than Favre and then the 5 in the last 10 years.

Whatever my view is of Brady to have him the second best QB EVER is the biggest "homer" post ever on here, including some made by me.

Re: NFL Chat : Sat Oct 23, 2010 9:33 pm  

"Elway wasn't that good"
"Marino was just a stat machine"

One player doesn't make a team. It's not all about the rings. Troy Brown won 3 rings with the Patriots but he sure as hell isn't close to being one of the best receivers of all time.

It was Vinatieri that scored the points that won all 3 Super Bowls, not Brady. In the game against Carolina, their kicker kicked the ball out of bounds on the final drive giving the Patriots fantastic field position - it was hardly an epic game-winning drive.

Brady is a very good QB but I personally think he's a touch overrated. He's in a system that suits him down to the ground and he's had a successful career because of it. I'd definitely put Marino, who was on a fairly average team, and Elway ahead of him in the list. That could obviously change as he's not finished his career yet though

Re: NFL Chat : Sat Oct 23, 2010 9:35 pm  

Adamjk wrote:

"Elway wasn't that good"
"Marino was just a stat machine"

One player doesn't make a team. It's not all about the rings. Troy Brown won 3 rings with the Patriots but he sure as hell isn't close to being one of the best receivers of all time.

It was Vinatieri that scored the points that won all 3 Super Bowls, not Brady. In the game against Carolina, their kicker kicked the ball out of bounds on the final drive giving the Patriots fantastic field position - it was hardly an epic game-winning drive.

Brady is a very good QB but I personally think he's a touch overrated. He's in a system that suits him down to the ground and he's had a successful career because of it. I'd definitely put Marino, who was on a fairly average team, and Elway ahead of him in the list. That could obviously change as he's not finished his career yet though

Sorry you're wrong, Brady won them all completely on his own. No running game and no receivers. All Brady apparently

Re: NFL Chat : Sat Oct 23, 2010 9:37 pm  

Adamjk wrote:

He's in a system that suits him down to the ground and he's had a successful career because of it.

Brady has played in more than 1 system in NE though...

Weis had a different system to McDaniels who in turn has a different system to what Bill O'Brien has now.

If you want to say the system suited a QB don't you have to say the west coast offense was suited for Montana? you can't use one argument for one player and not for another - same goes for Manning he's had 3 different systems in his whole life.

El Pac Carnegie wrote:

:USTUPID: Sorry your wrong, Brady won them all completely on is own. No running game and no receivers. All Brady apparently

What did Patten, Branch and Givens do when they left NE? nothing...

There was a running game and a great D, but that same team did what with Bledsoe?

Re: NFL Chat : Sat Oct 23, 2010 9:42 pm  

You have tinted glasses I know but you are putting Brady on to higher pedestal. He's very good but as I've said previously I don't even think he's the best QB in the league.

No Superbowl team is going to be blessed with elite talent across the board. That's the role of the salary cap. You want me to go through winning Superbowl teams of the last few seasons and find you players who did nothing after they won it? I'm sure there will be a bucket load. I can probably find you a few that played for the Rams in 99 and 01.

If you are talking about systems then Manning is a system IMO. He has the highest football IQ of anyone in the league. He is the best QB I have seen play the game since I started watching.

Re: NFL Chat : Sat Oct 23, 2010 9:48 pm  

El Pac Carnegie wrote:

If you are talking about systems then Manning is a system IMO. He has the highest football IQ of anyone in the league. He is the best QB I have seen play the game since I started watching.

Got to agree with that, the way Manning sees the game 95% of the time is just brilliant, and the other 5% is when he out thinks himself or the line breaks down in front of him.

Re: NFL Chat : Sat Oct 23, 2010 11:09 pm  

All this talk of best players ever has made me think about some of my favourite players past/present so lets have a little friendly game to see what everyone else thinks, be interesting to see who everyone else likes/liked.

These players can be from before you started watching right up until now and are not necessarily the best just your personnal favourites!

3 Favourite ex players (not your own team)

1 Jerry Rice
2 Barry Sanders
3 Reggie White

3 Favourite ex players (from your own team)

1 Tedy Bruschi
2 Randy Moss
3 Andre Tippett

3 Current favourite players (not your own team)

1 Ray Lewis
2 Tony Gonzalez
3 Adrian Peterson

3 Current players that you would like to see your team sign

1 Andre Johnson
2 DeMarcus Ware
3 Larry Fitzgerald

3 Favourite current players for your team

1 Brandon Merriweather
2 Jerod Mayo
3 Tom Brady

Re: NFL Chat : Sat Oct 23, 2010 11:14 pm  

3 Favourite ex players (not your own team)

1 Joe Montana
2 Jerry Rice
3 Ronnie Lott

3 Favourite ex players (from your own team)

1 Mike Vrabel
2 John Hannah
3 Willie McGinest

3 Current favourite players (not your own team)

1 Charles Woodson
2 David Harris
3 Nick Mangold
(2 Jets! )

3 Current players that you would like to see your team sign

1 Calvin Johnson
2 DeMarcus Ware
3 Nick Mangold

And just to add to it 3 favourite current Patriots: Jerod Mayo, Tom Brady, Aaron Hernandez/BenJarvus Green-Ellis (Tied 3rd)

Re: NFL Chat : Sat Oct 23, 2010 11:18 pm  

Gaslight wrote:

(2 Jets! )

It suprising what happens when you really think about things

Iv added my current favourite pats players too