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Re: The Football Chat Thread : Thu Nov 11, 2010 10:08 pm  
Banielates wrote:
It was nothing more than a playful tap.

If anything pederson should have been booked for diving.


:lol: :lol: :lol:

Obviously Danny boy is taking the piss
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Re: The Football Chat Thread : Thu Nov 11, 2010 10:14 pm  
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I've gone for a draw in my predictions league, 1-1.


That's where my money will be going.

Hope I'm wrong of course and last night is the start of something but the old adage 'seen it all before' comes to mind
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Re: The Football Chat Thread : Thu Nov 11, 2010 10:51 pm  
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And so he should, as long as the players named were in his 25 man squad, then he has every right to play them. Why on earth are the FA holding an investigation (other than to provide an excuse to pay the top brass a bit more)?


IMO the investigation the FA hold will be a pretty quick opening and closing of the case. Because of the manner of the performance of the Blackpool team I don't think there's a chance in hell that anything will come from that. (I do personally think that Holloway should be given a slap for his "I'll quit if they do anything, I'm the manager and I can do what the hell I like" rant.)

But the FA/PL need to keep this type of thing under scrutiny because otherwise when someone throws a match at the end of the season and another club gets relegated over it they won't be able to do anything either.
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Re: The Football Chat Thread : Thu Nov 11, 2010 10:54 pm  
Lord God Jose Mourinho wrote:
(I do personally think that Holloway should be given a slap for his "I'll quit if they do anything, I'm the manager and I can do what the hell I like" rant.)


Why? He did nothing wrong.

Don't remember them holding an investigation when Utd threw the game with West Ham on the last day and they survived (despite Fergie stating he wouldn't in honour of the sides fighting relegation) but they will when a 'little club' do it. W@nkers.
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Re: The Football Chat Thread : Thu Nov 11, 2010 10:58 pm  
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Hahaha

Silva not a big game player? How do you explain that he was Spain's best player, and arguably the player of the tournament, at Euro 2008? It is arguable that no United player has performed so well on such a big stage. Silva was by no means top drawer last night but what doylu expect when he often had no-one in front of him, and when he did we were outnumbered 3 to 1. He also spent more time in our half. He is still a far better player than Scholes was at his peak. As proven by performances at international level.

As for Fletcher and Carrick they did nothing to warrant any accolades. They
worked hard but simply played in front of our defence and created SFA. You must have low expectations of them, fella.



As for the debate between Dave and the Leyther, I believe that we have to give the team time to gel. I am bored by the football at the moment but Rome wasn't..... I certainly hope we start to play better football because at the moment we are no more entertaining than we were under Pearce. Pearce did have an excuse though.

Dave, you talk about our defence last year suffering due to individual mistakes. We have pretty much played with the same defenders this year. The reason why we conceded so many under Hughes was individual mistakes but these were due to sheer weight of pressure on the defence. Mancini knows our defenders are not the best and that's why he brought midfielders in to help out defensively. I think the formation we are using demands attacking full-backs. That's the missing ingredient. Until Kolarov and Boateng settle down
and get fit we will look laboured. Boateng is a WIP centre-half IMO. Maybe we should have signed a RB too.

DD - What do you think of Pascal's performances since he moved to LB? I think he has been far better than Bridge. He's not a great player but he's a good player to have around the squad.


Just calling it as I see it fella. Silva was woeful. Tevez did well with no support, Silva didn't. All I know is that he wasn't a prominent member if the world cup winning side and on that I can see why. Against Blackpool he looks immense though. Probably still settling in. ;). I'd rather see united players win things for club than country, especially when the country is Spain.

If you'd have seen some of our midfield performances you would see the stark improvement in MC and Fletch. Fletcher has been disappointing this season and Carrick has been woeful since the middle of last season. Comparing them two Yaya, Barry & De Jong they were like Xavi & Iniesta.

I see Mancini getting a lot if stick, but I think a lot if it is unjust. Every team in the league think they could be doing better, but at the rnd of the day Cuty are looking solid. Kompany is class at the back and the defence is well protected. I can see improvements are being made. At the end of the day you can't expect to win everything straight away. City have won nothing for 34 years.

Fergies tactics were crap last night as well. Park and Nani didn't support Berb at all, the pea was introduced too late and for the wrong player. Shame that Rafa and Evra were forced off which limited him but still.
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Re: The Football Chat Thread : Thu Nov 11, 2010 11:02 pm  
Holloways boring me now. His rants were funny when he was in the lower leagues and at the beginning of this season. Now it's just pathetic. After what happened with Wolves last year he was always going to be questioned.

Conroy, have a look at the team utd put out against west ham. It was solid, just a poor performance on the day.
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Re: The Football Chat Thread : Thu Nov 11, 2010 11:12 pm  
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Why? He did nothing wrong.


I don't think he did anything wrong with his team selection. I think the FA will quickly come to that conclusion as well.

But making threats about what you'll do if the investigation doesn't come down in your favour is ridiculous. He's a Premier League manager, not the manager of a pub team.
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Re: The Football Chat Thread : Thu Nov 11, 2010 11:25 pm  
Lord God Jose Mourinho wrote:
I don't think he did anything wrong with his team selection. I think the FA will quickly come to that conclusion as well.

But making threats about what you'll do if the investigation doesn't come down in your favour is ridiculous. He's a Premier League manager, not the manager of a pub team.


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Conroy, have a look at the team utd put out against west ham. It was solid, just a poor performance on the day.


Was relatively strong yes, but not the full strength side he promised
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Re: The Football Chat Thread : Fri Nov 12, 2010 8:13 am  
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Just calling it as I see it fella. Silva was woeful. Tevez did well with no support, Silva didn't. All I know is that he wasn't a prominent member if the world cup winning side and on that I can see why. Against Blackpool he looks immense though. Probably still settling in. ;). I'd rather see united players win things for club than country, especially when the country is Spain.

If you'd have seen some of our midfield performances you would see the stark improvement in MC and Fletch. Fletcher has been disappointing this season and Carrick has been woeful since the middle of last season. Comparing them two Yaya, Barry & De Jong they were like Xavi & Iniesta.

I see Mancini getting a lot if stick, but I think a lot if it is unjust. Every team in the league think they could be doing better, but at the rnd of the day Cuty are looking solid. Kompany is class at the back and the defence is well protected. I can see improvements are being made. At the end of the day you can't expect to win everything straight away. City have won nothing for 34 years.

Fergies tactics were crap last night as well. Park and Nani didn't support Berb at all, the pea was introduced too late and for the wrong player. Shame that Rafa and Evra were forced off which limited him but still.


Silva may not have had a great game, but I dont think that one poor game makes him a bottler. If that were the criteria the same tag could have been attached to Best (rarely played well against Leeds) and Cantona (didnt do much in european games). On the night we didnt get the ball to him in positions where he could do much damage. He isnt a physical player like Tevez but that doesnt make him a bottler.

Mancini will always get stick when we dont win. That's the price a defensively orientated manager pays. He lives and dies by results, a bit more so than more attacking minded managers. I think some City fans had unrealistic expectations that United were "there for the taking" on Wednesday. Two years ago United did the double over us very comfortably, last season they did the double with injury time goals, on Wednesday we drew. The current squad is stronger than 12 months ago, that squad was stronger than 12 months previously. We're progressing but not quickly enough for some.
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Re: The Football Chat Thread : Fri Nov 12, 2010 8:41 am  
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Just calling it as I see it fella. Silva was woeful. Tevez did well with no support, Silva didn't. All I know is that he wasn't a prominent member if the world cup winning side and on that I can see why. Against Blackpool he looks immense though. Probably still settling in. ;). I'd rather see united players win things for club than country, especially when the country is Spain.


Silva wasn’t woeful. He was better than Tevez in that game IMO. Tevez’s distribution was poor and he lost the ball often. TBF to him, he was bound to lose the ball a fair amount as he lacked support and he is clearly unfit. As for Silva, a creative player will always struggle if he has no-one infront of him. When we get bodies forward in games, Silva is magic.

Silva and Tevez’s two worst performances this season have been against United and Tottenham. I don’t think it is a coincidence that in both of these games, we displayed a lack of ambition in our play.

The rumours are that Silva was essentially dropped by Spain for negotiating a transfer during the early part of the WC. Another point worth noting is that to get in the team, he has to unsurp Villa, Iniesta or Xavi when Torres plays. IMO three of the top 5 players in the world.

I think you will also find that in recent games, Silva has been a starter for Spain.

if you'd have seen some of our midfield performances you would see the stark improvement in MC and Fletch. Fletcher has been disappointing this season and Carrick has been woeful since the middle of last season. Comparing them two Yaya, Barry & De Jong they were like Xavi & Iniesta.


I see.

To me, the best City players at Eastlands on Wednesday, were Zabaleta and Kompany. The rest were average at best. Maybe we could have had stronger performances if we had rested half of our squad for a week or so :wink: No player from either team stood out as having a great performance.

Barry and De Jong were solid. They pretty much stopped any meaningful attack. Toure….I honestly don’t think he understands his role. He often looks like he doesn’t know where Mancini wants him to be in different situations. This may explain why a couple of teammates have had a pop at him during games. He should play in a deeper role and we should move Milner into Barry’s position. We need more thrust from midfield.

It was also a mistake of Mancini to play Toure as he has been injured. He returned from injury in our game against West Brom (and was our best player that day along with Silva). He shouldn’t have played a full game three days later.

Like I said earlier in this thread, that midfield will work if we have two flying full-backs. ATM we don’t, so there is a lack of balance between attack and defence.

I see Mancini getting a lot if stick, but I think a lot if it is unjust. Every team in the league think they could be doing better, but at the rnd of the day Cuty are looking solid. Kompany is class at the back and the defence is well protected. I can see improvements are being made. At the end of the day you can't expect to win everything straight away. City have won nothing for 34 years.


Mancini has had some stick, mainly for his negative tactics and over-reliance on Tevez. TBF to him, he has brought in 7 players, with four of those being new to England and played no more than 10 games each – mainly due to injury. He needs to be given more time to develop a pattern of play and for the players to get used to playing together.

The majority support but Mancini but there are a vocal minority who don’t like him because we play boring football. These are probably the same people who want/wanted Mourihno. Correct me if I am wrong, but I heard the Inter fans preferred Mancini to Mourihno as he played more attacking football.

I think some City fans have to remember that when we have gone gung-ho and played just two in midfield during games (which is rare), we have looked vulnerable. The best example being the second-half against Newcastle. Granted we scored from a piece of magic by Johnson, but we could easily have conceded three or four and we created no more chances.


Kompany is arguably the form centre-half in the PL. He’s been outstanding this season, although he has had a couple of shaky moments in the last two weeks or so. I think Kolo Toure should be given some credit too. IMO he’s playing as well as he did during the season Arsenal were unbeaten. It’s been a big turnaround because under Hughes, Toure was terrible. Toure also brings out the best of Kompany.




Fergies tactics were crap last night as well. Park and Nani didn't support Berb at all, the pea was introduced too late and for the wrong player. Shame that Rafa and Evra were forced off which limited him but still.


I know we got some deserved stick for being negative but the press made out that United were taking chances and showing ambition. IMO United were equally negative. Although I accept that as the home team the onus is on us to show more ambition.
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