Scholes
Beckham
Neville
Neville
Giggs
Butt

Those 6 players have been critical parts of Ferguson's success, and (IIRC) were all basically home-grown players.

For every Van Nistelroy (sp) or Ferdinand that Man U brought they've also developed young players as they've gone along.

Like I said everyone's opinion's different, but mine is that Man City are not a big club and would be 11th or 12th in the league without the rich owner. They'll never be anywhere near the size of Man U or Liverpool, and assuming the owner gets bored and pulls the plug within a few years they probably won't buy many trophies anyway.

No club in England will probably ever be able to compete with the size of Manchester United.

But Liverpool have an old ground that's too small and are desperate for foreign owners to come in and keep them at the top. If they don't get the new owners, don't get a new stadium and slide down the league then Citeh can easily become a bigger club than them.

Nobody is under any illusion that Citeh would be anywhere near where they are without the money that's been splashed upon them. But FFS going from that to Citeh never deserving any credit whatever they do is pathetic.

Citeh could end up being a major force in world football. They could end up being the biggest joke in football. The money is a huge factor in them possibly being a world force, but it's by no means guaranteed that's where they're heading.

I truly hope Citeh win nothing from a billion pounds of investment. I hope they end up relegated like Leeds and Newcastle. But if they won the title this season, they'd deserve credit for pulling off a major victory against better sides and established teams. Trying to belittle any achievement they get is just childish.

Trust me they will never, ever be anywhere near as big as Liverpool - Liverpool are one of the biggest and most famous clubs in the game with supporters all over the world. City (and Chelsea) are pretty much un-followed outside the UK.

Nothing wrong with that.99% of other teams fans would love to have a big money backer.We were just lucky the Jack came along before the billionaires did otherwise we would never have won the title as he never had that kind of money.I suppose the thing about Jack that is not the same as the new money men is he was a Rovers fan from birth and not just looking for any club to take over.

www.chelseafc.com/page/LatestNew ... 49,00.html Sad news, really feel for him. Hope he doesn't get too down about it and manages to keep himself in football.

www.chelseafc.com/page/LatestNew ... 49,00.html Sad news, really feel for him. Hope he doesn't get too down about it and manages to keep himself in football.

He looked like a good prospect, sad that his promising career has been ended at 21.

Totally fallen out of love with Joe Cole. Even before tonight and his sending off at the weekend. I just think he's sh-t these days.

You do make me chuckle lad. How on earth can pocketing over £100k a week and winning a title not be enjoyable? I'd bloody love it!

To belittle any team winning a title is preposterous and if Mancini manages it with Man City it would be nothing but extremely impressive. To assemble a squad over one summer and have it challenge immediately would be very impressive. All Man City are doing is what Utd and Chelsea have done over the past few years, just at an accelerated pace.

Correct.

Yep, Joe Cole is better than Messi.

William Gallas to Spurs?

Aquilani leaving on loan; the transition has begun.

Will have to agree to disagree.

Give any team £200million-£300million and they could probably buy trophies. If they end up with the Premiership I personally won't feel they've achieved anything (same with Chelsea), whereas Arsenal or Man U I would. Just my opinion.