Re: Football Chat Thread - Euro 2012 edition : Sun Jul 15, 2012 7:49 am  

McClennan wrote: I don't know about legally but in the context of the FA we can think through the process ourselves. Imagine if you were a business owner and Suarez and Terry did what they did in your workplace. Make your decision based on that. How much weight do you give to each argument? I'm not defending Suarez but Terry has less of an excuse for using the language he did because, as far as I'm concerned, being a long-term resident of this country he knows that it is wrong so to use it means his actions have been deliberate and willful i.e. I never call anybody "black xxx" or whatever. I think Suarez used his language willfully too but I think we have to admit that it's not that big a leap to see how his usage could have been deemed to have come from cultural differences (I don't agree with that but I can see the argument that says it could be). Again, I am not saying one is worse than the other, or that both should receive penalties, only that there is reason for applying a penalty in both instances. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/footba ... d-ban.html Yes, its only the Mail, but it suggests that, to ensure consistency with the treatment of Suarez, Terry should be charged even if its accepted that he was only repeating back Ferdinands words. I think that, after the Court case, the FA would like to drop the case like a stone. But they're going to have to demonstrate that they've dealt with both players fairly and consistently.

McClennan wrote: I don't know about legally but in the context of the FA we can think through the process ourselves. Imagine if you were a business owner and Suarez and Terry did what they did in your workplace. Make your decision based on that. How much weight do you give to each argument? I'm not defending Suarez but Terry has less of an excuse for using the language he did because, as far as I'm concerned, being a long-term resident of this country he knows that it is wrong so to use it means his actions have been deliberate and willful i.e. I never call anybody "black xxx" or whatever. I think Suarez used his language willfully too but I think we have to admit that it's not that big a leap to see how his usage could have been deemed to have come from cultural differences (I don't agree with that but I can see the argument that says it could be). Again, I am not saying one is worse than the other, or that both should receive penalties, only that there is reason for applying a penalty in both instances. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/footba ... d-ban.html Yes, its only the Mail, but it suggests that, to ensure consistency with the treatment of Suarez, Terry should be charged even if its accepted that he was only repeating back Ferdinands words. I think that, after the Court case, the FA would like to drop the case like a stone. But they're going to have to demonstrate that they've dealt with both players fairly and consistently.

Re: Football Chat Thread - Euro 2012 edition : Sun Jul 15, 2012 8:00 am  

Lord God Jose Mourinho wrote:

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But is it just Terry you want charged, or is it Ferdinand and Terry who you think should be charged, or do you not care about Ferdinand so long as the chance is there to punish Terry?

Leaving aside the racial element, bad language is always going to be a part of sport I dont think many are that bothered about it. But there's a difference between casual use of bad language and the abusive nature of the exchange between Ferdinand and Terry. The question really is whether that exchange was exceptional or whether it does happen routinely in matches. If it was exceptional and the referee didnt hear it then both should be charged. If its something thats been tolerated in the past then they shouldnt make the two players scapegoats but should issue new guidelines.

Re: Football Chat Thread - Euro 2012 edition : Sun Jul 15, 2012 8:06 am  

Lord God Jose Mourinho wrote:

As soon as the allegation was made you were already proclaiming him innocent. You insisted that his immediate denial was so vehement that you believed him as you couldn't see him denying it in such a fashion if he was guilty.

But Terry's denial was even more vehement. He spoke with Cole DURING THE MATCH and said Ferdinand had accused him of racism. He spoke with Ferdinand after the game and tried to clear up what happened. He made an instant statement after the game to offer his side of the story. A side of the story he still sticks with. A side of the story that video evidence pretty much backs up, even though there were several viewing angles and there's no way Terry would have known what the cameras showed.

You claim the FA wanted wanted to stitch you up, you've claimed that Evra was allowed to be coached and allowed to make his statement along to video evidence and Suarez wasn't. You've no way of knowing any of this 5hit and it smacks of paranoid scouse lunacy. Just because you cannot possibly handle it that Suarez said something he shouldn't.

You say that there's no evidence of Suarez saying the words, but that's not what the hearing said. They said there was footage of several arguments between them, while Suarez claimed that there was only one verbal confrontation between them. And you haven't seen the footage that was made available during the hearing, so you don't even know what was shown. (And even if you did see and hear Suarez clearly racially abusing him, you'd them come up with another moronic excuse to hide behind).

How does this involve murderers, Heysel, Hillsborough? You scouse c**** are dishing out the jibes and bringing up irrelevant 5hit, I'm giving it back to you. But no doubt that's a FA conspiracy too.

Are you really this dim? I know your brother comes across as a bit simple, but you're taking the biscuit here.

There was no evidence to prove Suarez had called Evra a 'negro' seven times, which is what he was charged with. If there's evidence of them speaking/arguing to each other during the game, does that instantly mean he said what he was charged with? They made the basis for this on who was the more 'impressive' witness. When I say Evra was coached, what I mean is Evra was allowed to watch the video evidence used at the hearing, he was allowed to see it all before the court case to back up his allegations, which clearly made him 'more impressive'. Suarez was only allowed to see it whilst he was in the court himself in front of those charging him. If that's not f*cking coaching, what is? Or are you gonna put your fingers in your ears and churn out something similarly stupid? Suarez claimed to have said the word once, the FA believed Evra's claim he said it several times and charged him with that. So again, I'll say, there wasn't any video evidence to prove Suarez had said what he was charged with, that was made on probability.

This has nothing to do with anything that's happened at Liverpool in the past, I've never brought up Heysel or Hillsborough in any argument for or against the club, it's just you being the absolute tw*t that you are. The best thing about it is the 'jibe' I originally made had very little to do with Terry, it was more about how pathetic people/the media can be towards things. You then turned it into some sort of argument about Suarez, about scousers and about paranoia. Dear oh dear.

Re: Football Chat Thread - Euro 2012 edition : Sun Jul 15, 2012 11:57 am  

Cibaman wrote:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2173686/John-Terry-racism-row-Chelsea-captain-facing-England-ban.html

Yes, its only the Mail, but it suggests that, to ensure consistency with the treatment of Suarez, Terry should be charged even if its accepted that he was only repeating back Ferdinands words. I think that, after the Court case, the FA would like to drop the case like a stone. But they're going to have to demonstrate that they've dealt with both players fairly and consistently.

That would be utterly ridiculous and wouldn't be consistent in the slightest. They should both be banned for their behaviour and the other language used, along with Rio Ferdinand who's acted like an utter bell end throughout and after the proceedings. Yes, footballers use that sort of language in every game, but it's not broadcast to the whole country in a high profile court case, dragging the game through the mud.

Re: Football Chat Thread - Euro 2012 edition : Sun Jul 15, 2012 3:55 pm  

[quote="Adamjk"]That would be utterly ridiculous and wouldn't be consistent in the slightest. They should both be banned for their behaviour and the other language used, along with Rio Ferdinand who's acted like an utter bell end throughout and after the proceedings. Yes, footballers use that sort of language in every game, but it's not broadcast to the whole country in a high profile court case, dragging the game through the mud.[/quote

why should anyone be banned ? bad language, abusive behaviour and racist, xenophobic or homophbic taunts have been a part of the game since it started - a court of law has found lowlife Terry innocent so the case is closed and Anton has been made to look rather silly - just get on with the game FFS !

the game has been dragged through the mud since scumbags like Terry,Barton,Lee Hughes & Cashley Cole have been in the game ....to mention but a few

Re: Football Chat Thread - Euro 2012 edition : Mon Jul 16, 2012 8:25 am  

Where are people seeing Modric ending up?

[John_D]

Re: Football Chat Thread - Euro 2012 edition : Mon Jul 16, 2012 8:31 am  

Mark wrote:

Where are people seeing Modric ending up?

El Real.

Re: Football Chat Thread - Euro 2012 edition : Mon Jul 16, 2012 8:32 am  

Mark wrote:

Where are people seeing Modric ending up?

They won't want to sell him to another English club, and they definitely won't want to sell him to us.

So Real would probably be favourites, PSG a distant second , a premium added for Man United and a premium times 3 for us.

Re: Football Chat Thread - Euro 2012 edition : Mon Jul 16, 2012 12:05 pm  

Great article for the naysayers: http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/foot ... 45430.html

Great article for the naysayers: http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/foot ... 45430.html

Re: Football Chat Thread - Euro 2012 edition : Mon Jul 16, 2012 12:27 pm  

Rooney got a 2 game ban for swearing not so long ago...

And as for Modric, if he does go to Real where would he play? They have Ozil who plays that kind of role and haven't they signed someone else who's name escapes me from Germany (I think) who plays a very similar role??