: Wed Oct 21, 2009 1:15 pm  

Wire_85 wrote:

*bangs head*

What exactly don't you agree with?

: Wed Oct 21, 2009 1:17 pm  

Wire_85 wrote:

Nothing wrong with him works his socks off gets assists and goals.

I dunno. I'll admit, I admire his work rate and you can never knock his effort for the club, but as a right winger, I think he's very average. For me, we should be aiming for so much better, but that's just me. He's better through the middle but I still feel he's fairly limited. I prefer Benayoun over him without doubt and I believe Rafa rates far higher than he should.

: Wed Oct 21, 2009 1:17 pm  

Catalancs wrote:

:roll:
What exactly don't you agree with?

Catalancs wrote:

Whilst continual whinging about lack of funds has earned him an undeserved amount of sympathy, Rafa Benitez’s failure to bring through a single young player of any note during his five years at Anfield is pretty damning. Both United and Arsenal have a number of young players who have been developed through the clubs’ feeder teams (albeit often poaching them from other clubs in their late teens.) Yet Rafa, despite booting out Steve Heighway as Youth Development Manager and replacing him with err…himself, has merely signed dud after dud after dud, whilst ignoring local, young players entirely.
That, and not lack of funds, is why the Liverpool squad is so poor, and their bench so shallow.

: Wed Oct 21, 2009 1:21 pm  

Catalancs wrote:

Whilst continual whinging about lack of funds has earned him an undeserved amount of sympathy,

Catalancs wrote:

Rafa Benitez’s failure to bring through a single young player of any note during his five years at Anfield

Catalancs wrote:

Both United and Arsenal have a number of young players who have been developed through the clubs’ feeder teams (albeit often poaching them from other clubs in their late teens.)

Catalancs wrote:

Yet Rafa, despite booting out Steve Heighway as Youth Development Manager and replacing him with err…himself

Catalancs wrote:

has merely signed dud after dud after dud,

Catalancs wrote:

whilst ignoring local, young players entirely.

Catalancs wrote:

That, and not lack of funds, is why the Liverpool squad is so poor, and their bench so shallow.

None of the above is true? Liverpool don't have a weak bench?
Just my opinion of course, but one that I'm entitled to.

: Wed Oct 21, 2009 1:22 pm  

Robbie Rotten wrote:

I dunno. I'll admit, I admire his work rate and you can never knock his effort for the club, but as a right winger, I think he's very average. For me, we should be aiming for so much better, but that's just me. He's better through the middle but I still feel he's fairly limited. I prefer Benayoun over him without doubt and I believe Rafa rates far higher than he should.

Id love us to buy a out an out winger but ££££
He's done a great job though his stats tell the story not to mention tracking back in defence.

: Wed Oct 21, 2009 1:24 pm  

Catalancs wrote:

None of the above is true? Liverpool don't have a weak bench?
Just my opinion of course, but one that I'm entitled to.

Anyone with half a brain knows our bench is weak, is it down to Rafa and youth players? no way.

: Wed Oct 21, 2009 1:27 pm  

Wire_85 wrote:

Id love us to buy a out an out winger but ££££
He's done a great job though his stats tell the story not to mention tracking back in defence.

He has, but some of his 'stats' are from his performances through the middle, especially his goals stats.

I'm not saying he's bad, because he's not, but Rafa does rate him over Yossi and I believe that's madness.

: Wed Oct 21, 2009 1:29 pm  

Wire_85 wrote:

Anyone with half a brain knows our bench is weak, is it down to Rafa and youth players? no way.

See, you said you disagreed with everything I said then you say that 'anyone with half a brain knows our bench is weak'. I can't believe you're questioning your own intelligence and so can only suppose that you didn't fully read my post. That would explain the contradiction.

All I wanted was a reasonable answer from an expert. I count the true Liverpool fans on here as experts and so want to hear what they think.

: Wed Oct 21, 2009 1:35 pm  

Catalancs wrote:

See, you said you disagreed with everything I said then you say that 'anyone with half a brain knows our bench is weak'. I can't believe you're questioning your own intelligence and so can only suppose that you didn't fully read my post. That would explain the contradiction.

All I wanted was a reasonable answer from an expert. I count the true Liverpool fans on here as experts and so want to hear what they think.

Ok then I think 5 years aint enough time to bring his "own" young players in besides he only took over the youth teams about 2 seasons ago.

: Wed Oct 21, 2009 1:37 pm  

Catalancs wrote:

All I wanted was a reasonable answer from an expert. I count the true Liverpool fans on here as experts and so want to hear what they think.

None of us are experts pal.

Our bench is weak and we struggle for depth, some will blame the owners as we've been forced to accept mediocre free signings like Degen and Voronin, however, some will point to more expensive flops like Babel and Dossena as the problem. IMO, we need another clear out of the deadwood. There are players here who've had their chance and aren't up to it.