Re: Boxing Round 2 : Sun Jul 03, 2011 6:35 pm  

Dan_FC wrote:

I don't think Haye or Booth will be happy with how things went, I also don't think it's time for Haye to retire he's only 30. There's still time for him, I'd love him to get a Chisora fight and shut him up.

I don't want to see him go out on last night's loss, but as much as I'd like to see Chisora get chinned, it wouldn't help Haye's legacy. The only fight worth taking would be against one of the Klitschko brothers, but there's no way he could do that before his 31st (and certainly not if he wants his toe to heal fully).

I see Frank Warren's sticking the boot in, surprised he's still not crying over about DeGale losing. It's pathetic he's got involved, he hates Booth for getting one over on him and DeGale when he fought Groves.

Can't stand Warren. Nasty piece of work who loses any fighter with real promise (and he will lose De Gale in time) either because he doesn't have the contacts on a world stage or because he doesn't pay the fighter what they're owed and as you say, his opinion isn't needed (or wanted).

Re: Boxing Round 2 : Sun Jul 03, 2011 6:54 pm  

Matt23 wrote:

1) WK was throwing that jab out metronomically, and Haye was slipping many of them. However Haye was looking for that overhand right every time. Why not slip outside the jab and really have a dig at the body with the right hand? An easy scoring punch at worst, better it starts to bring Klitschko's left hand down a bit. Then the overhand right becomes more likely to find the mark.

That's what I couldn't understand, why not, even mid way through the fight they change their attack and go for that body shot outside the jab. He missed with most of them, Haye was very good at feignting last second and avoiding the contact but as you rightly say, why not slip the jab and put a good right onto the body, it'd be a good scoring point plus enough of them and they'd wear down Klitschko.

Matt23 wrote:

2) Due to WK's style, finding the mark with the bi right was nigh on impossible. Haye said himself that he is susceptible to the southpaww back hand, so why not throw a lot more lead left hooks, or even consider switching which he had hinted at in the build up. That left shoulder of WK was so high up as a guard it was almost inpenetrable. I think throwing the left with more conviction would have been a riskier strategy, but he'd have gained more respect from me if he'd have gone out on his shield. You can guarentee Froch or Hatton would not be cautious going into those last rounds.

I'm not so sure it was caution or the fact he knew he wasn't winning, the toe was probably starting to pain by the later rounds and he was getting frustrated he couldn't get around the jab and land a decent punch on Klitschko. I would've preferred him to throw everything at Klitschko, especially late on.

Re: Boxing Round 2 : Sun Jul 03, 2011 7:02 pm  

Panda Antics wrote:

I don't want to see him go out on last night's loss, but as much as I'd like to see Chisora get chinned, it wouldn't help Haye's legacy. The only fight worth taking would be against one of the Klitschko brothers, but there's no way he could do that before his 31st (and certainly not if he wants his toe to heal fully).

I just wonder if he'll reconsider his retirement, I don't think he'll get a rematch but I wonder if Vitali would take him on if he hangs around. He's been two weight champion, gave us some good shows so I wouldn't condemn him if he wanted to retire but I hope he'll hang around, at least for a few months to see what turns up in the next few months. I'm not a Tyson Fury fan but I'd love to see him give Chisora a beating.

Panda Antics wrote:

Can't stand Warren. Nasty piece of work who loses any fighter with real promise (and he will lose De Gale in time) either because he doesn't have the contacts on a world stage or because he doesn't pay the fighter what they're owed and as you say, his opinion isn't needed (or wanted).

Spot on, he's a pr1ck. I'm certain I haven't heard a peep out of him since the board told him where to go with his request for a rematch for DeGale. Licking his wounds I guess, no need for him to come out now and start spouting. It won't be long before DeGale becomes too big headed to Warren and heads off.

Re: Boxing Round 2 : Sun Jul 03, 2011 7:15 pm  

Blaming the toe was embarrassing though, he should of just let it leak out in the media over the next couple of days

Re: Boxing Round 2 : Sun Jul 03, 2011 7:27 pm  

Well you'll never see the Klitschko brothers fighting each other. Is there any other decent heavyweight out there at all ?

Re: Boxing Round 2 : Sun Jul 03, 2011 7:28 pm  

Matt23 wrote:

1) WK was throwing that jab out metronomically, and Haye was slipping many of them. However Haye was looking for that overhand right every time. Why not slip outside the jab and really have a dig at the body with the right hand? An easy scoring punch at worst, better it starts to bring Klitschko's left hand down a bit. Then the overhand right becomes more likely to find the mark.

2) Due to WK's style, finding the mark with the bi right was nigh on impossible. Haye said himself that he is susceptible to the southpaww back hand, so why not throw a lot more lead left hooks, or even consider switching which he had hinted at in the build up. That left shoulder of WK was so high up as a guard it was almost inpenetrable. I think throwing the left with more conviction would have been a riskier strategy, but he'd have gained more respect from me if he'd have gone out on his shield. You can guarentee Froch or Hatton would not be cautious going into those last rounds.

Totally agree with the body shot. Yes it would be a point scoring shot (but that's neither here nor there because he was never going to win on points) but more importantly it would put some doubt into Wlad's mind, and if he could hurt him with a few (get dirty and throw it into the kidneys if it was within reach) Klitschko would have no choice but to drop the high left hand guard, his jab would be severely weakened and that's most the battle with Wlad.

I'm not sure going south paw (even just to throw a big left) would have worked to be honest, but I agree that he might as well have been knocked out trying something different and going for the win than simply struggling to a unanimous points loss (were it not for the point Klitschko was deducted, I only gave Haye one round all fight).

Dan_FC wrote:

I just wonder if he'll reconsider his retirement, I don't think he'll get a rematch but I wonder if Vitali would take him on if he hangs around. He's been two weight champion, gave us some good shows so I wouldn't condemn him if he wanted to retire but I hope he'll hang around, at least for a few months to see what turns up in the next few months. I'm not a Tyson Fury fan but I'd love to see him give Chisora a beating.

Klitschko camp saying Wlad's not interested but Vitali would quite like to knock Haye out! I actually think Haye's a better chance against Vitali, even accounting for his jaw of steel. As you say, 2 weight world champion, could have easily stayed at cruiserweight and taken pay cheque after pay cheque but he challeneged himself. The only defence for the criticism that is coming his way is that he said he was going to attack Klitschko and he didn't, partly no doubt because of the toe but mainly because Wlad was too good.

Re: Boxing Round 2 : Sun Jul 03, 2011 8:03 pm  

Panda Antics wrote:

Klitschko camp saying Wlad's not interested but Vitali would quite like to knock Haye out! I actually think Haye's a better chance against Vitali, even accounting for his jaw of steel. As you say, 2 weight world champion, could have easily stayed at cruiserweight and taken pay cheque after pay cheque but he challeneged himself. The only defence for the criticism that is coming his way is that he said he was going to attack Klitschko and he didn't, partly no doubt because of the toe but mainly because Wlad was too good.

I don't think, like myself, they thought Klitschko would've been as he was and they'd be able to get at him and break him down and he couldn't. No matter what people say I think the toe will have had an impact on the fight and Haye's tactics but there were still opportunities for him to have a couple of body shots and wear him down plus a bit of pain and it may well have took its toll late on. I think he's held his own at heavyweight, he's beaten, comfortably, anyone who's been put in his way and this was one step too far but he's took the challenge on, something a lot of fighters these days don't do.

Re: Boxing Round 2 : Sun Jul 03, 2011 8:45 pm  

Am I the only person who thought it was a bit pathetic blaming it on his toe? He's trained on the toe and will have known what he could and couldn't do on it. If it was as bad as he says it was then fool him for fighting on it.

As for the comments of challenging himself at Heavyweight rather than staying at Cruiserweight and taking easy pay cheques that's a wind up yeah? The heavyweight division is dire other than the Klitchsko's hence why he gave it a go. Knowing very well that while he would pick up reasonable cheques at cruiserweight he would earn a boatload more in any fight with the Klitschko's. A heavyweight clash is always a big earner especially when it's one that unifies the division.

Re: Boxing Round 2 : Sun Jul 03, 2011 9:00 pm  

El Pac Carnegie wrote:

Am I the only person who thought it was a bit pathetic blaming it on his toe? He's trained on the toe and will have known what he could and couldn't do on it. If it was as bad as he says it was then fool him for fighting on it.

No, there's loads of people who have said the same thing, in fact a lot on here as well. I think people are listening to what they want, they hear him mention the broken toe and have taken it like the whole fight was lost on the injury. Regardless, as has been mentioned, it will have had an impact on the Haye's performance, no matter if he's had injections or he's done this or that it will have impacted, he'll have known at the back of his mind he'll be doing more damage to it by fighting on plus the way he wanted to attack Klitschko would've been limited by it too.

El Pac Carnegie wrote:

As for the comments of challenging himself at Heavyweight rather than staying at Cruiserweight and taking easy pay cheques that's a wind up yeah? The heavyweight division is dire other than the Klitchsko's hence why he gave it a go. Knowing very well that while he would pick up reasonable cheques at cruiserweight he would earn a boatload more in any fight with the Klitschko's. A heavyweight clash is always a big earner especially when it's one that unifies the division.

Nah, it isn't a wind up it's a good point, the fact is he could've just stayed at cruiserweight and dominated the division (like the Klitschkos have in heavyweight) but he stepped up, anytime a fighter steps up a weight it's a challenge, anytime. No matter if it's a weak division or not to go up and take on people who have been heavyweights all along is a challenge and he's done it well up until last night. Of course he would earn a lot more in heavyweight but he could've sat in cruiser and earned cheques that aren't too shabby. To say stepping up a weight isn't a challenge is just stupid.

Re: Boxing Round 2 : Sun Jul 03, 2011 10:34 pm  

He is making a lot about the toe and should have not mentioned it.