Re: Boxing Round 2 : Sun Jul 03, 2011 2:11 pm  

What next for the Heavyweight division, unless the Klitschkos are offered an absolutely obscene amount of money that they can't refuse?

Re: Boxing Round 2 : Sun Jul 03, 2011 4:11 pm  

Bring back Lennox to have a go at them !

Re: Boxing Round 2 : Sun Jul 03, 2011 4:40 pm  

Roonaldo6 wrote:

Bring back Lennox to have a go at them !

He was itching after that in the post fight interview, you could just tell he'd love to have a go at them. He'd turn both of the Klitschko's over.

Re: Boxing Round 2 : Sun Jul 03, 2011 4:41 pm  

Dan_FC wrote:

He was itching after that in the post fight interview, you could just tell he'd love to have a go at them. He'd turn both of the Klitschko's over.

£50 million to get his pyjamas off though... thats a hell of a lot of PPV buys !

Re: Boxing Round 2 : Sun Jul 03, 2011 4:59 pm  

brearley84 wrote:

well well well
haye could talk the talk but couldnt walk the walk, then he comes out with the broken toe excuse

The toe was broken, there's no doubt it had an impact on Haye's performance. There's noway he could launch off the foot as he would've liked, I'm not sure it would've made much difference to the outcome but it would've limited Haye.

brearley84 wrote:

booth was just as embarrasing, got the tactics wrong, haye couldnt get around the jab. then to slag of the ref was stupid, the ref was fine, he even deducted a point off wlad ! haye deserved to be given a knockdown the amount of times he went down like an italian footballer.

Deary me, get a grip. The ref wasn't fine, he was a disgrace, Barry Maguigan said that too so why aren't you slagging him off?! He was a joke, that was never a knock down so shouldn't have been a count, no matter how many times Haye went down he can't just decide to count. Pathetic. That aside, there was too many punches thrown after the bell because the ref was too far away from them and everytime there was holding he was far too slow getting involved. Manny Steward and Vitali Klitschko also had a go at him, so they must be embarrassing too then? As for Booth, he was asked in his post fight interview what he though of the ref's performance so he didn't bring it up or blame anyone and he was spot on too, he was a disgrace. You're just hearing/seeing what you want now, he said nothing wrong. He didn't blame the toe either. If you think that was a fine performance by the ref, you've got low standards. Haye's a terrific boxer who was beaten by an even better one.

brearley84 wrote:

chisora would of done better

Now you're just embarrassing yourself.

Re: Boxing Round 2 : Sun Jul 03, 2011 5:14 pm  

Dan_FC wrote:

The toe was broken, there's no doubt it had an impact on Haye's performance. There's noway he could launch off the foot as he would've liked, I'm not sure it would've made much difference to the outcome but it would've limited Haye.

Deary me, get a grip. The ref wasn't fine, he was a disgrace, Barry Maguigan said that too so why aren't you slagging him off?! He was a joke, that was never a knock down so shouldn't have been a count, no matter how many times Haye went down he can't just decide to count. Pathetic. That aside, there was too many punches thrown after the bell because the ref was too far away from them and everytime there was holding he was far too slow getting involved. Manny Steward and Vitali Klitschko also had a go at him, so they must be embarrassing too then? As for Booth, he was asked in his post fight interview what he though of the ref's performance so he didn't bring it up or blame anyone and he was spot on too, he was a disgrace. You're just hearing/seeing what you want now, he said nothing wrong. He didn't blame the toe either. If you think that was a fine performance by the ref, you've got low standards. Haye's a terrific boxer who was beaten by an even better one.

Now you're just embarrassing yourself.

the toe was injected, he wouldnt of felt a thing, its embarressing he even brought it up!

yeh the ref gave it as a knockdown but it wasnt, think he was just fed up with haye falling on the floor all the time, think a point deduction should of been the better option.

haye is a cruiserweight not a heavyweight im afraid

hes down the pecking order now, wlad intrested in the winner of chisora v fury.

goodbye mr haye

Re: Boxing Round 2 : Sun Jul 03, 2011 5:39 pm  

brearley84 wrote:

the toe was injected, he wouldnt of felt a thing, its embarressing he even brought it up!

yeh the ref gave it as a knockdown but it wasnt, think he was just fed up with haye falling on the floor all the time, think a point deduction should of been the better option.

haye is a cruiserweight not a heavyweight im afraid

hes down the pecking order now, wlad intrested in the winner of chisora v fury.

goodbye mr haye

That shows how poor the heavyweight division is if Klitschko's waiting on the winner of Chisora and Fury, whoever wins that'll be jab to the point of no return. Can't see either of them going far with Klitschko, probably in Germany as he seems scared to leave.

He is a cruiserweight and a very good one too but I still think he's a decent heavyweight but he was outclassed by an even better boxer. I don't get why people dislike him so much.

Suppose it could depend on when he had the injection, he could've been feeling it towards it towards the end of the fight regardless it would've been at the back of his mind and when launching off the foot it probably would've been on his mind. I don't think it would've made any difference, he still probably wouldn't have been able to get behind Klitschko's jab anyway, he might've have put him under more pressue or wobbled him more but not convinced he'd have won.

Maybe he was fed up with Haye hitting the deck so often but you can't make the rules up as you go along, it wasn't a knockdown so should never have been a count, if anything he should've taken the point off or warned him seen as didn't even do that. He was clueless in there.

Re: Boxing Round 2 : Sun Jul 03, 2011 6:09 pm  

Was absolutely gutted last night but Haye never looked like winning that fight once both boxers were in the ring.

Wlad was able to get ring position right from round one and although initially he couldn't land the jab, as the fight progressed he was consistent with it.

I couldn't see what strategy Haye was fighting to. I can't believe Booth sent him out with the intention of throwing so few punches and taking so few risks. I can only assume Haye couldn't implement the game plan because he couldn't get around the jab and so ended up doing not alot.

Haye just didnt throw nearly enough punches, you're never going to win on points throwing circa 20 punches a round when you're missing with 75% of them.

Credit to Klitschko, he out worked, out thought and out boxed Haye all night long but injured toe or not, Haye can't be happy with that performance.

Re: Boxing Round 2 : Sun Jul 03, 2011 6:24 pm  

Panda Antics wrote:

Was absolutely gutted last night but Haye never looked like winning that fight once both boxers were in the ring.

Wlad was able to get ring position right from round one and although initially he couldn't land the jab, as the fight progressed he was consistent with it.

I couldn't see what strategy Haye was fighting to. I can't believe Booth sent him out with the intention of throwing so few punches and taking so few risks. I can only assume Haye couldn't implement the game plan because he couldn't get around the jab and so ended up doing not alot.

Haye just didnt throw nearly enough punches, you're never going to win on points throwing circa 20 punches a round when you're missing with 75% of them.

Credit to Klitschko, he out worked, out thought and out boxed Haye all night long but injured toe or not, Haye can't be happy with that performance.

Well said mate, top post, I was gutted myself. Really thought Haye would've gone a lot closer. Booth would've had a strategy, they've waited three years for this fight I can't believe they would go out like that either. I think they've come unstuck by Klitschko and they couldn't find away around his jab, as was pointed out many times Klitschko has a really awkward stance, it's so difficult to get around. You're right he didn't throw enough, even when he did land one he wasn't following it up, Booth made that point, he wanted him to go in and then follow that up. They claim he couldn't because of the broken toe, either way he didn't do enough - or wasn't allowed too.

It's just a pity so called 'boxing fans' instantly jump on the back of Haye, just like with Murray at Wimbledon.

I don't think Haye or Booth will be happy with how things went, I also don't think it's time for Haye to retire he's only 30. There's still time for him, I'd love him to get a Chisora fight and shut him up.

I see Frank Warren's sticking the boot in, surprised he's still not crying over about DeGale losing. It's pathetic he's got involved, he hates Booth for getting one over on him and DeGale when he fought Groves.

Roonaldo6 wrote:

£50 million to get his pyjamas off though... thats a hell of a lot of PPV buys !

Dave Clark was handing out some big money for Lewis to consider. I wouldn't mind stumping up PPV money to see Klitschko given a beating.

Re: Boxing Round 2 : Sun Jul 03, 2011 6:33 pm  

I hate Frank Warren.

Haye got nowhere near to implementing the plan Booth will have given him, for whatever reason.

Couple of things Haye should have done IMHO.

1) WK was throwing that jab out metronomically, and Haye was slipping many of them. However Haye was looking for that overhand right every time. Why not slip outside the jab and really have a dig at the body with the right hand? An easy scoring punch at worst, better it starts to bring Klitschko's left hand down a bit. Then the overhand right becomes more likely to find the mark.

2) Due to WK's style, finding the mark with the bi right was nigh on impossible. Haye said himself that he is susceptible to the southpaww back hand, so why not throw a lot more lead left hooks, or even consider switching which he had hinted at in the build up. That left shoulder of WK was so high up as a guard it was almost inpenetrable. I think throwing the left with more conviction would have been a riskier strategy, but he'd have gained more respect from me if he'd have gone out on his shield. You can guarentee Froch or Hatton would not be cautious going into those last rounds.