Re: Men in Lycra - the Wrestling thread : Sat Jan 15, 2011 7:34 am  

Roofaldo wrote:

I'm not sure I agree with his assessment that the Hardy's only got into WWE because of Hayes and haven't paid any dues. Both Hardys were no-name jobbers for WWE for a couple of years before getting full time contracts.

Yeah good point, + tbf he's inaccurate / unfair with other stuff, e.g. saying Jeff Hardy's only popular with 2 year olds? Both Hardy's in WWE had fans of all ages, esp Jeff around 2007-2009, you'd see 18-35 year old men with his merch, women, kids etc.

Guess there's two sides to it really - Val prob did pay more dues (in traditional terms) in the early days. However, the harsh truth for him is that the Hardys mean more in the history of the WWE, and both were bigger draws in all fairness.

Just had an email from Ticketmast re the TNA tour, AJ's off it due to injury.

Really hope Tara doesn't suffer an injury before then too.

Re: Men in Lycra - the Wrestling thread : Sat Jan 15, 2011 7:39 am  

Jeff the God of Biscuits wrote:

WWE have a set style, and always have. They always will have this style. You have to learn to adapt to this style if you want to be successful in that company. Big indie names have come in and floundered. Ultimo Dragon, Colt Cobana, even Shane Douglas. Can you really call yourself a 'Great worker' if you cannot adapt yourself to a certain style? As it is only those that do, that get to shine brightly. It took Jericho 18 months to get to grips with it, and he's quite possibly the best in ring performer since HBK. It particularly concerns those of a 'smaller frame' as if you are 6'6 and 280lbs chances are you're going to get a decent push, despite what your in ring skills are [Ezekial Jackson at the moment for example]

Saying that WWE can be too harsh in dismissing talent before they ever get acclimatised with the style. With so many shows on TV nowadays [Isnt there like 6 or 7 WWE shows a week now?] the pace is far too fast. and a lot of guys just get left behind. I do feel WWE have lost what wrestling is, and this is because they feel they're not wrestling. Which is what some of the better indie stars don't understand, if you want pure wrestling matches every week on TV, you need to find another company. RoH does this, but it's on a much smaller scale. The long and short of it is, workers need to make a choice. Do they want to be a superstar or do they want to be able to wrestle matches they way they want? Because, mostly, the two do not go together in WWE.

Pretty much agree with all that mate, although I definitely don't think that a guy not been in WWE means they're not a great worker. Some of the greatest Japanese and Mexican wrestlers of all-time have never been in WWE AFAIK (e.g. Nagata, Kobashi, Psychosis etc).

Going to sort out tickets shortly for All-Star Wrestling. If you've not seen them before I really recommend going to a show if they run one locally, easily the best UK company going. Daniel Bryan spent a lot of time over here and worked a lot of their shows, really good at what they do.

Re: Men in Lycra - the Wrestling thread : Sat Jan 15, 2011 9:21 am  

Kudos to Big Zeke for managing to powerslam the Big Show, looked to do it with ease as well.

Re: Men in Lycra - the Wrestling thread : Sat Jan 15, 2011 2:33 pm  

Roofs wrote:

Pretty much agree with all that mate, although I definitely don't think that a guy not been in WWE means they're not a great worker. Some of the greatest Japanese and Mexican wrestlers of all-time have never been in WWE AFAIK (e.g. Nagata, Kobashi, Psychosis etc).

Going to sort out tickets shortly for All-Star Wrestling. If you've not seen them before I really recommend going to a show if they run one locally, easily the best UK company going. Daniel Bryan spent a lot of time over here and worked a lot of their shows, really good at what they do.

Pyschosis was in WWE for a short while. Remember the Mexicools? If not they're on page 74 of WWE's "Racist Stereotype Gimmicks for Dummies" book.

Re: Men in Lycra - the Wrestling thread : Sat Jan 15, 2011 3:01 pm  

Roofaldo wrote:

Pyschosis was in WWE for a short while. Remember the Mexicools? If not they're on page 74 of WWE's "Racist Stereotype Gimmicks for Dummies" book.

Oh right, remember the Mexicools (God I know what you mean, e.g. the lawnmowers and stuff?! ), didn't realise he was part of it though.

Re: Men in Lycra - the Wrestling thread : Sat Jan 15, 2011 4:50 pm  

Dodo wrote:

Kudos to Big Zeke for managing to powerslam the Big Show, looked to do it with ease as well.

Not surprised given how jacked up the guy is. Still, two 4 man factions make sense than one large one as guys tend to get lost in the shuffle in those large factions. 4 belts (world/wwe, IC/US, tag) make 4 man factions the way to go if you're wanting to go for a domination style run.

Re: Men in Lycra - the Wrestling thread : Sat Jan 15, 2011 9:23 pm  

Roofs wrote:

Oh right, remember the Mexicools (God I know what you mean, e.g. the lawnmowers and stuff?! ), didn't realise he was part of it though.

I loved that gimmick, mainly cos it was so racist it was funny.

'We are not Mexican...we are....MeixiCooooool'

Just stupid, really. Juvi and Psicosis were gone pretty soon after, but Super Crazy stayed for years.

Re: Men in Lycra - the Wrestling thread : Sat Jan 15, 2011 9:34 pm  

Jeff the God of Biscuits wrote:

I loved that gimmick, mainly cos it was so racist it was funny.

'We are not Mexican...we are....MeixiCooooool'

Just stupid, really. Juvi and Psicosis were gone pretty soon after, but Super Crazy stayed for years.

Well Juvi had a number of back stage altercations, most likely trying to get out of his contract once he realised what kind of gimmick he was being saddled with.

Psicosis got the boot after he went out scrumping for cars.

Re: Men in Lycra - the Wrestling thread : Sun Jan 16, 2011 10:28 am  

Roofaldo wrote:

Well Juvi had a number of back stage altercations, most likely trying to get out of his contract once he realised what kind of gimmick he was being saddled with.

Psicosis got the boot after he went out scrumping for cars.

One thing that made me laugh about that, was Juvi actually ended up travelling with Bob Orton Sr. A strange partnerhsip, to say the least.

[Fantastic Mr Catpiss]

Re: Men in Lycra - the Wrestling thread : Sun Jan 16, 2011 12:30 pm  

that'll be cos he was ostracised after he was juicing whilst randy was feuding with the undertaker and it was revealed he had a Hepatitis, or something, i believe Mr Callaway wasn't best pleased when he found out.

Needles to say, i don't thin Bob stayed around much longer after that.