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Re: Men in Lycra - the Wrestling thread : Wed Jan 12, 2011 9:26 pm  
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cm punk, becoming full on messiah gimmick,

i noticed he had the stigmata drawn on his coverings last week.


Tell you what, that stuff with husky harris was a bit rough to watch.


Yeah, little close to the bone for WWE PG.

Also, back on the HBK hating stuff, Gregory Helms has been tweeting about HBK and what he thinks of him
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Re: Men in Lycra - the Wrestling thread : Wed Jan 12, 2011 9:55 pm  
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Yeah, little close to the bone for WWE PG.

Also, back on the HBK hating stuff, Gregory Helms has been tweeting about HBK and what he thinks of him


Is it true he hates him? :(
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Re: Men in Lycra - the Wrestling thread : Wed Jan 12, 2011 10:10 pm  
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Is it true he hates him? :(


It's more a case of "This guy has had a more successful career than me and I'm likely washed up at 36 so I'm going to slate him and anyone else who's actually better at my job than me"
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Re: Men in Lycra - the Wrestling thread : Wed Jan 12, 2011 10:24 pm  
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It's more a case of "This guy has had a more successful career than me and I'm likely washed up at 36 so I'm going to slate him and anyone else who's actually better at my job than me"


That's very believable actually. I know there's two sides to the story about HHH, HBK etc holding people back over the years but ATEOTD it's always down to whether you can or can't draw money. Bobby Heenan put it brilliantly when he was asked about Hulk Hogan. He said that the wrestlers who complained about Hogan saying he wouldn't work with them etc didn't do so because they couldn't draw money, no other reason. Classic quote - "Hogan would work with a grape if it'd draw money!" :lol:

However, HBK and HHH were hypocritical to slate Hogan for refusing to lose to HBK - HBK famously did that same thing at least a few times in his career.
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Re: Men in Lycra - the Wrestling thread : Wed Jan 12, 2011 10:45 pm  
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That's very believable actually. I know there's two sides to the story about HHH, HBK etc holding people back over the years but ATEOTD it's always down to whether you can or can't draw money. Bobby Heenan put it brilliantly when he was asked about Hulk Hogan. He said that the wrestlers who complained about Hogan saying he wouldn't work with them etc didn't do so because they couldn't draw money, no other reason. Classic quote - "Hogan would work with a grape if it'd draw money!" :lol:

However, HBK and HHH were hypocritical to slate Hogan for refusing to lose to HBK - HBK famously did that same thing at least a few times in his career.


To be fair to Shawn, and himself and Vince have said on numerous occasions. If Vince laid down the law to him, and said 'NO This is how it's going to be' Shawn would always do as he was told. He was a prick back in the day, but everyone [Greg Helms aside] has agreed that he has been a different person since his return.

Hogan not putting Shawn over was ludicrous, as Hulk wouldn't be around much longer and HBK would still be there afterward. Hulk should have done the right thing. Like for instance what Austin did for Rock at WM19.

As for Shane Helms...well...what did he ever do? He had a nonsense gimmick which although humurous was never going to draw money. When they turned him heel and gave him a more serious gimmick he just sort of floundered. Okay worker, nothing particularly special. Highlight of his career were his skits with The Rock when he returned as a heel. Some of the funniest moments on raw ever were between them two. Apart from that he never really acheived anything. It's not because HHH or HBK held him back, it's simply because he didn't have the talent to get over. Vince will thrust anyone into the limelight if theyre over. Look at Jeff Hardy, you'd never think he'd ever become a world champion, but he got super over, and vince pushed him to the top
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Re: Men in Lycra - the Wrestling thread : Wed Jan 12, 2011 10:53 pm  
HBK = best in ring performer of all time.

Alberto Del Rio = Best WWE up and comer for 5 years.
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Re: Men in Lycra - the Wrestling thread : Thu Jan 13, 2011 8:52 am  
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HBK = best in ring performer of all time.

Alberto Del Rio = Best WWE up and comer for 5 years.


I don't know why WWE don't try and sign more stars from Mexico, give them a couple of years in FCW to learn the USA style and call them up.
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Re: Men in Lycra - the Wrestling thread : Thu Jan 13, 2011 12:15 pm  
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I don't know why WWE don't try and sign more stars from Mexico, give them a couple of years in FCW to learn the USA style and call them up.


Well, if Russo was still at WWE it'd be down to his casually racist belief that american fans only want to see american wrestlers
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Re: Men in Lycra - the Wrestling thread : Thu Jan 13, 2011 3:27 pm  
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HBK = best in ring performer of all time.

Alberto Del Rio = Best WWE up and comer for 5 years.


Dont think you can argue with either of those statements. Del Rio is a pheomenal talent, not only does he have the in-ring skills, but has the mic ability to go with it. Great to watch, and hopefully he'll win the RR and get a deserved title shot.
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Re: Men in Lycra - the Wrestling thread : Thu Jan 13, 2011 3:58 pm  
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Dont think you can argue with either of those statements. Del Rio is a pheomenal talent, not only does he have the in-ring skills, but has the mic ability to go with it. Great to watch, and hopefully he'll win the RR and get a deserved title shot.


Well yeah. That's because he's actually earned his spot, he's not some guy who's spent 3 weeks in a development territory then get shoved on TV before he's ready. Del Rio has a family background in pro-wrestling and a background in amateur wrestling. He's been doing it for 10 years before coming to WWE.
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