Re: The Football Chat (cont) : Thu Apr 12, 2012 10:34 am  

flipper wrote: Comolli takes Kenny's bullet http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/footba ... sults.html Yup, it was an entirely predictable outcome. Blame the director of football for Kenny's many mistakes. Interesting that Dalgleish takes full responsibility for the signings that the club made.

flipper wrote: Comolli takes Kenny's bullet http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/footba ... sults.html Yup, it was an entirely predictable outcome. Blame the director of football for Kenny's many mistakes. Interesting that Dalgleish takes full responsibility for the signings that the club made.

Re: The Football Chat (cont) : Thu Apr 12, 2012 10:47 am  

flipper wrote: Comolli takes Kenny's bullet http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/footba ... sults.html To be honest, I'm not sure what you can really say about the entire situation, but I don't see how you say he's taken Kenny's bullet, Kenny could still go, but it makes far more sense to replace a 'scout' during the season than the manager, especially as we're still competing for a cup. Either way, I've been completely underwhelmed by Comolli in his time at Liverpool. At Spurs he brought in some quality players, like Kaboul, Modric, Bale, Prince-Boateng (admittedly never succeeded at Spurs, but his talent is clear for all to see) and Berbatov. I've said on this thread before, I think our signings weren't solely Damien's decision, but his role was to find players suitable to the team needs. It was alleged (alleged because you won't find it in official articles, but most decent journos have said this is how it worked) that when Steve Clarke was brought in, he wanted us to replicate the 4-3-3 of Chelsea under Mourinho. We signed players to go along with this, something Kenny was also happy about, but it's clear that those players aren't the right players. Downing isn't a Robben or a Duff, Carroll isn't a Drogba and Henderson isn't a Lampard or an Essien. It's clear for all to see that Kenny was to give the go-ahead on those transfers, but Comolli was allegedly brought in to maintain a sense of direction at the club. Basically, if Kenny left, or Clarke left, or anybody else left, we'd have Damien still maintaining the same direction and 'strategy' with regards to signings and types of player. The owners obviously aren't happy with the job he's doing and he's lost his job. I imagine at the end of the season, Kenny will have his position reviewed and a decision will be made about his future with the club. I don't believe they will leave Kenny in charge of transfers after letting Comolli do most of the scouting for the past twelve months, they'll have to bring somebody new in, or some sort of new system to help Kenny out, if they choose to keep him, that is.

flipper wrote: Comolli takes Kenny's bullet http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/footba ... sults.html To be honest, I'm not sure what you can really say about the entire situation, but I don't see how you say he's taken Kenny's bullet, Kenny could still go, but it makes far more sense to replace a 'scout' during the season than the manager, especially as we're still competing for a cup. Either way, I've been completely underwhelmed by Comolli in his time at Liverpool. At Spurs he brought in some quality players, like Kaboul, Modric, Bale, Prince-Boateng (admittedly never succeeded at Spurs, but his talent is clear for all to see) and Berbatov. I've said on this thread before, I think our signings weren't solely Damien's decision, but his role was to find players suitable to the team needs. It was alleged (alleged because you won't find it in official articles, but most decent journos have said this is how it worked) that when Steve Clarke was brought in, he wanted us to replicate the 4-3-3 of Chelsea under Mourinho. We signed players to go along with this, something Kenny was also happy about, but it's clear that those players aren't the right players. Downing isn't a Robben or a Duff, Carroll isn't a Drogba and Henderson isn't a Lampard or an Essien. It's clear for all to see that Kenny was to give the go-ahead on those transfers, but Comolli was allegedly brought in to maintain a sense of direction at the club. Basically, if Kenny left, or Clarke left, or anybody else left, we'd have Damien still maintaining the same direction and 'strategy' with regards to signings and types of player. The owners obviously aren't happy with the job he's doing and he's lost his job. I imagine at the end of the season, Kenny will have his position reviewed and a decision will be made about his future with the club. I don't believe they will leave Kenny in charge of transfers after letting Comolli do most of the scouting for the past twelve months, they'll have to bring somebody new in, or some sort of new system to help Kenny out, if they choose to keep him, that is.

Re: The Football Chat (cont) : Thu Apr 12, 2012 10:52 am  

Roddy B wrote:

To be honest, I'm not sure what you can really say about the entire situation, but I don't see how you say he's taken Kenny's bullet, Kenny could still go, but it makes far more sense to replace a 'scout' during the season than the manager, especially as we're still competing for a cup.

Either way, I've been completely underwhelmed by Comolli in his time at Liverpool. At Spurs he brought in some quality players, like Kaboul, Modric, Bale, Prince-Boateng (admittedly never succeeded at Spurs, but his talent is clear for all to see) and Berbatov. I've said on this thread before, I think our signings weren't solely Damien's decision, but his role was to find players suitable to the team needs. It was alleged (alleged because you won't find it in official articles, but most decent journos have said this is how it worked) that when Steve Clarke was brought in, he wanted us to replicate the 4-3-3 of Chelsea under Mourinho. We signed players to go along with this, something Kenny was also happy about, but it's clear that those players aren't the right players. Downing isn't a Robben or a Duff, Carroll isn't a Drogba and Henderson isn't a Lampard or an Essien. It's clear for all to see that Kenny was to give the go-ahead on those transfers, but Comolli was allegedly brought in to maintain a sense of direction at the club. Basically, if Kenny left, or Clarke left, or anybody else left, we'd have Damien still maintaining the same direction and 'strategy' with regards to signings and types of player. The owners obviously aren't happy with the job he's doing and he's lost his job. I imagine at the end of the season, Kenny will have his position reviewed and a decision will be made about his future with the club. I don't believe they will leave Kenny in charge of transfers after letting Comolli do most of the scouting for the past twelve months, they'll have to bring somebody new in, or some sort of new system to help Kenny out, if they choose to keep him, that is.

strange timing too really

Re: The Football Chat (cont) : Thu Apr 12, 2012 10:56 am  

flipper wrote:

strange timing too really

Well it was alleged that FSG wanted to meet with Damien and Kenny after the semi, Kenny wanted it brought forward so all focus was on the semi and Comolli has been sacked.

I think the sacking makes a lot of sense, but I don't think it shows anybody's power but FSG's.

Re: The Football Chat (cont) : Thu Apr 12, 2012 11:41 am  

Roddy B wrote:

Well it was alleged that FSG wanted to meet with Damien and Kenny after the semi, Kenny wanted it brought forward so all focus was on the semi and Comolli has been sacked.

I think the sacking makes a lot of sense, but I don't think it shows anybody's power but FSG's.

But as ever the Liverpool fans and former greats are using it as a rod for Kenny's back, coming out with comments such as the sacking gives Kenny the power to run the football side of things at the club now and sign the players he wanted to sign. All this despite Kenny himself admitting Comolli was basically only used as a negotiator in transfer deals.

Re: The Football Chat (cont) : Thu Apr 12, 2012 12:02 pm  

Saddened! wrote:

But as ever the Liverpool fans and former greats are using it as a rod for Kenny's back, coming out with comments such as the sacking gives Kenny the power to run the football side of things at the club now and sign the players he wanted to sign. All this despite Kenny himself admitting Comolli was basically only used as a negotiator in transfer deals.

Not read any quotes from former players. Not read where Kenny 'basically admits' anything. I do know Damien Comolli was a Director of Football, if you want to know what one of those is, a bit of research won't go amiss. I've said throughout, I think Kenny definitely had his say in transfers, I don't think players were just dropped on him; however, I don't think Comolli has done his job properly. He was supposed to find rough gems, players close to the unknown that simply we 'found' before others. He obviously hasn't done that and we've had little value from our transfers that, as you claim, he negotiated.

Re: The Football Chat (cont) : Thu Apr 12, 2012 12:42 pm  

Roddy B wrote: Not read any quotes from former players. Not read where Kenny 'basically admits' anything. I do know Damien Comolli was a Director of Football, if you want to know what one of those is, a bit of research won't go amiss. I've said throughout, I think Kenny definitely had his say in transfers, I don't think players were just dropped on him; however, I don't think Comolli has done his job properly. He was supposed to find rough gems, players close to the unknown that simply we 'found' before others. He obviously hasn't done that and we've had little value from our transfers that, as you claim, he negotiated. A bit of research of your own would have found this: Following Comolli's departure on Thursday, Dalglish said: "He has been really helpful in every transfer target that we've gone for. "Everyone who has come into the club since Damien has been here was of my choice. Once I made the choice who I wanted, Damien went away and did a fantastic job of bringing them in. "It's sad to see anyone leave the football club and he goes with my best wishes." From http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/17687524 Sounds to me like Dalglish taking responsibility for identifying transfer targets.

Roddy B wrote: Not read any quotes from former players. Not read where Kenny 'basically admits' anything. I do know Damien Comolli was a Director of Football, if you want to know what one of those is, a bit of research won't go amiss. I've said throughout, I think Kenny definitely had his say in transfers, I don't think players were just dropped on him; however, I don't think Comolli has done his job properly. He was supposed to find rough gems, players close to the unknown that simply we 'found' before others. He obviously hasn't done that and we've had little value from our transfers that, as you claim, he negotiated. A bit of research of your own would have found this: Following Comolli's departure on Thursday, Dalglish said: "He has been really helpful in every transfer target that we've gone for. "Everyone who has come into the club since Damien has been here was of my choice. Once I made the choice who I wanted, Damien went away and did a fantastic job of bringing them in. "It's sad to see anyone leave the football club and he goes with my best wishes." From http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/17687524 Sounds to me like Dalglish taking responsibility for identifying transfer targets.

Re: The Football Chat (cont) : Thu Apr 12, 2012 12:53 pm  

Andy Gilder wrote: A bit of research of your own would have found this: Following Comolli's departure on Thursday, Dalglish said: "He has been really helpful in every transfer target that we've gone for. "Everyone who has come into the club since Damien has been here was of my choice. Once I made the choice who I wanted, Damien went away and did a fantastic job of bringing them in. "It's sad to see anyone leave the football club and he goes with my best wishes." From http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/17687524 Sounds to me like Dalglish taking responsibility for identifying transfer targets. Well that will explain why Comolli has been sacked. Simply put, he was being paid to do absolutely nothing. He was given the title of DoF, but was actually doing nothing. Kenny will obviously come out and say the players were his choice, but FSG appointed Comolli to find players. They wanted unproven players, cheap players where they were 'ahead of the game' and didn't have to pay any premium. As an example, they would rather sign Cheick Tiote from Twente or Anderlecht, than Newcastle at £15m. He clearly didn't find any suitable players. Can you really expect Kenny Dalglish to go watching every game in Europe to identify players? As I keep on saying, I think the transfers were a combination of both. Kenny clearly wanted the players, but I do believe Comolli had a large influence on everything with regards to transfers. I have repeated endless frustrations at our transfer policy, and those frustrations have been aimed at both Kenny and Comolli, but why people try to solely blame Dalglish when he clearly had somebody over him who was actively involved in everything people are blaming Kenny for, is beyond me. Comolli has been sacked, Kenny's future remains to be seen, but it's clear there have been errors made by everybody involved and we're in desperate need of a 'rethink'.

Andy Gilder wrote: A bit of research of your own would have found this: Following Comolli's departure on Thursday, Dalglish said: "He has been really helpful in every transfer target that we've gone for. "Everyone who has come into the club since Damien has been here was of my choice. Once I made the choice who I wanted, Damien went away and did a fantastic job of bringing them in. "It's sad to see anyone leave the football club and he goes with my best wishes." From http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/17687524 Sounds to me like Dalglish taking responsibility for identifying transfer targets. Well that will explain why Comolli has been sacked. Simply put, he was being paid to do absolutely nothing. He was given the title of DoF, but was actually doing nothing. Kenny will obviously come out and say the players were his choice, but FSG appointed Comolli to find players. They wanted unproven players, cheap players where they were 'ahead of the game' and didn't have to pay any premium. As an example, they would rather sign Cheick Tiote from Twente or Anderlecht, than Newcastle at £15m. He clearly didn't find any suitable players. Can you really expect Kenny Dalglish to go watching every game in Europe to identify players? As I keep on saying, I think the transfers were a combination of both. Kenny clearly wanted the players, but I do believe Comolli had a large influence on everything with regards to transfers. I have repeated endless frustrations at our transfer policy, and those frustrations have been aimed at both Kenny and Comolli, but why people try to solely blame Dalglish when he clearly had somebody over him who was actively involved in everything people are blaming Kenny for, is beyond me. Comolli has been sacked, Kenny's future remains to be seen, but it's clear there have been errors made by everybody involved and we're in desperate need of a 'rethink'.

Re: The Football Chat (cont) : Thu Apr 12, 2012 12:55 pm  

Not that it will happen as Liverpool have some curse over David Moyes, but if Liverpool were to lose the Semi Final would you want Kenny sacked?

Re: The Football Chat (cont) : Thu Apr 12, 2012 1:07 pm  

Saddened! wrote:

Not that it will happen as Liverpool have some curse over David Moyes, but if Liverpool were to lose the Semi Final would you want Kenny sacked?

I wouldn't want him sacked and I've stated why before. I think Kenny has had us playing brilliant football many times this season. I know people have snide laughs at us for defending him, but the margins for us in so many games have been minimal. If we'd played horrendously all year, I'd accept that he isn't up to it and he'd be better off going, but we have played really well in many games, we just haven't had the results to show for it. It isn't just about missing chances, penalties and hitting the woodwork, it's about how we control games, the chances we fork out and the balance of our play.

I'd like to see him get next season; however, I would put a ban on the club signing anybody from the premier league.