Re: The Football Chat Thread : Wed Nov 03, 2010 1:55 pm  

Andy Gilder wrote:

Enjoy watching Alan Hutton, Kevin-Prince Boateng and Younes Kaboul every week.

Some of Commoli's highly regarded acquisitions while at Spurs.

Kaboul came back to be a good player for them. Boateng is now at Milan and impressing. Wouldn't mind the likes of Modric, Bale or Berbatov here, whilst I'm pretty sure he 'found' some good players for Arsenal in his time there.

Comolli's reign at Spurs is often criticized due to a poor error in judgment by appointing Juande Ramos. He signed some good players for them and some of their better players right now were signed by him. He never coached the players, he just signed them.

Re: The Football Chat Thread : Wed Nov 03, 2010 2:55 pm  

Robbie Rotten wrote:

Liverpool have apparently appointed Damien Comolli to oversee recruitment drive. Good news if true.

He's been appointed as Head of Football Strategy. Good experienced man to have aboard.

Re: The Football Chat Thread : Wed Nov 03, 2010 5:48 pm  

Dan_FC wrote:

He's been appointed as Head of Football Strategy. Good experienced man to have aboard.

Agreed. Still, that doesn't mean I'm saying Comolli is the greatest DOF or whatever, but I think he's more than capable.

The problem with a DOF, though, is it often disrupts the manager. When a manager is in charge and a club bring somebody else in to make some of his decisions, friction immediately appears and, when things start to go wrong, the finger usually goes straight to the DOF.

I personally believe a DOF should be appointed first and then a manager; however, I'm not sure how great Comolli is at judging the suitability of manager after he brought Ramos to Spurs, which simply didn't work.

Still, I hope that brings an end to Roy signing carthorses like Poulsen and Konchesky.

Re: The Football Chat Thread : Wed Nov 03, 2010 5:49 pm  

Andy Gilder wrote:

Enjoy watching Alan Hutton, Kevin-Prince Boateng and Younes Kaboul every week.

Some of Commoli's highly regarded acquisitions while at Spurs.

He also recommended Bale, I think he makes up for the rest.

Re: The Football Chat Thread : Wed Nov 03, 2010 6:58 pm  

Robbie Rotten wrote:

Agreed. Still, that doesn't mean I'm saying Comolli is the greatest DOF or whatever, but I think he's more than capable.

The problem with a DOF, though, is it often disrupts the manager. When a manager is in charge and a club bring somebody else in to make some of his decisions, friction immediately appears and, when things start to go wrong, the finger usually goes straight to the DOF.

I personally believe a DOF should be appointed first and then a manager; however, I'm not sure how great Comolli is at judging the suitability of manager after he brought Ramos to Spurs, which simply didn't work.

Still, I hope that brings an end to Roy signing carthorses like Poulsen and Konchesky.

There's a great myth in the Premier League that the DOF thing doesn't work and is usually dismissed out of hand. I still think it can work, it all depends on who the manager is and their ability in the transfer window etc but I think it can work. It obviously has it flaws, as you rightly say it often disrupts and pisses a manager right off if someone is brought in over there head to make decisions but if a DOF is appointed first the manager at least knows what they're in for.

You think it's something that could work for you? Roy is a decent coach, I think he's shown that throughout his managerial career but in the transfer window he has been found wanting, he's brought some poor players in for you and going by the transfer talk today he's interested in Hangeland, Pavlyuchenko and Wright-Phillips. Someone like Comolli could bring the players in and Roy coach them, it could work.

Re: The Football Chat Thread : Wed Nov 03, 2010 7:06 pm  

Dan_FC wrote:

There's a great myth in the Premier League that the DOF thing doesn't work and is usually dismissed out of hand. I still think it can work, it all depends on who the manager is and their ability in the transfer window etc but I think it can work. It obviously has it flaws, as you rightly say it often disrupts and pisses a manager right off if someone is brought in over there head to make decisions but if a DOF is appointed first the manager at least knows what they're in for.

You think it's something that could work for you? Roy is a decent coach, I think he's shown that throughout his managerial career but in the transfer window he has been found wanting, he's brought some poor players in for you and going by the transfer talk today he's interested in Hangeland, Pavlyuchenko and Wright-Phillips. Someone like Comolli could bring the players in and Roy coach them, it could work.

From things I've read, it is generally dismissed by English managers as most managers are lazy and act like DOF's themselves, i.e. they prefer to let the coaches coach the players and so on, whilst they look more into the player recruitment side of things, that is why they often take offence when somebody is brought in to do a role they feel should be their own.

It's been shown across the continent that the DOF works exceptionally well if the structure is done well and organized well. Comolli is a safe appointment, he's clever, experienced and has worked over here before, but I still doubt Roy's view of it. Roy's old school and the way the team are playing doesn't fill me with the view that he's the one.

Still, we could have appointed Dennis Wise.

Re: The Football Chat Thread : Wed Nov 03, 2010 7:10 pm  

DancingDodo wrote:

He also recommended Bale, I think he makes up for the rest.

To be fair if recommending someone who was running rings round players as a 17 year old qualifies you as a guru I reckon I could give it a stab.

Re: The Football Chat Thread : Wed Nov 03, 2010 7:55 pm  

El Pac Carnegie wrote:

To be fair if recommending someone who was running rings round players as a 17 year old qualifies you as a guru I reckon I could give it a stab.

It's not just recommending players, though. You have to convince the club to put all of their efforts into getting the player. IIRC, United and plenty of other clubs wanted Bale at the time, but Spurs spent big and put a lot of effort into prizing the player away. Who's to say that, if it wasn't for Comolli going in for him, Spurs would still have gone for Bale? They could well have gone for another player.

People laud Wenger over signing players like Fabregas, van Persie and the like, but all of these players had shown outstanding attributes at the level they played at, which makes them a bit of a 'no brainer' if you end up seeing them at that level; however, sometimes it's more than just spotting a player.

Comolli made mistakes at Spurs, anyone denying so is numb, but he also signed some fantastic players, like Modric, Berbatov and even Gomes.

Re: The Football Chat Thread : Wed Nov 03, 2010 8:04 pm  

Robbie Rotten wrote:

It's not just recommending players, though. You have to convince the club to put all of their efforts into getting the player. IIRC, United and plenty of other clubs wanted Bale at the time, but Spurs spent big and put a lot of effort into prizing the player away. Who's to say that, if it wasn't for Comolli going in for him, Spurs would still have gone for Bale? They could well have gone for another player.

People laud Wenger over signing players like Fabregas, van Persie and the like, but all of these players had shown outstanding attributes at the level they played at, which makes them a bit of a 'no brainer' if you end up seeing them at that level; however, sometimes it's more than just spotting a player.

Comolli made mistakes at Spurs, anyone denying so is numb, but he also signed some fantastic players, like Modric, Berbatov and even Gomes.

Gareth Bale thought he had a better chance of regular football at Spurs at the time, rather than go to Manchester United where he would have been playing second fiddle to Patrice Evra, despite Ryan Giggs' best effort to convince him otherwise.

Re: The Football Chat Thread : Wed Nov 03, 2010 8:13 pm  

Superb diving skills from Ronaldo there