: Tue May 26, 2009 1:58 am  

Ashmeister wrote:

We drew too many games.

Overall we have been the better team IMO. Double over United, Double over Chelsea, 0 Losses at home vs Man Uniteds 1, 2 Losses away vs Man Uniteds 3 and a better goal difference.

Unfortunately United have a better squad. We missed Torres and Gerrard for large parts of the season. United really struggled when Ronaldo was out before X MAS.

Overall you have not been the better team.

If you had been, you'd have won the league, it's that simple.

You can certainly say you were better for certain periods, but the league table doesn't lie. It's over most of the year. You can win matches as flamboyantly as you want but if you end up on less points than your rival, it's your own fault.

All those draws you cite are not a sign of quality.

: Tue May 26, 2009 4:26 am  

Chris Dalton wrote:

Overall you have not been the better team.

If you had been, you'd have won the league, it's that simple.

You can certainly say you were better for certain periods, but the league table doesn't lie. It's over most of the year. You can win matches as flamboyantly as you want but if you end up on less points than your rival, it's your own fault.

All those draws you cite are not a sign of quality.

Whilst I agree with you that the league table does not generally lie. Liverpool lost the momentum and ultimately the league between November 22nd and December 13th when they drew matches at home against Fulham, West Ham and Hull City.

Apart from that 3 week period I think over the rest of the season they have been the best team in the division. Roll on next season...

: Tue May 26, 2009 6:07 am  

Ashmeister wrote:

We drew too many games.

Overall we have been the better team IMO. Double over United, Double over Chelsea, 0 Losses at home vs Man Uniteds 1, 2 Losses away vs Man Uniteds 3 and a better goal difference.

Unfortunately United have a better squad. We missed Torres and Gerrard for large parts of the season. United really struggled when Ronaldo was out before X MAS.

Class.

City did the double over us last year, means fck all.

: Tue May 26, 2009 6:09 am  

airliebird9 wrote:

Whilst I agree with you that the league table does not generally lie. Liverpool lost the momentum and ultimately the league between November 22nd and December 13th when they drew matches at home against Fulham, West Ham and Hull City.

Apart from that 3 week period I think over the rest of the season they have been the best team in the division. Roll on next season...

Or when Rafa tried to take on Fergie then you won one in 5 ir something like that, in reality it's only us having games in hand that made the league look close.

: Tue May 26, 2009 6:49 am  

ash4hullfc wrote:

Yes, Allardyce is in there. After reading some of the posts on here stating that if Allardyce was still in charge, we'd never have been relegated this season. Those who said that, you're right - we'd have been relegated last season. Have those people forgotten that he managed us to a whole one point, home and away, against the mighty Derby County? Whilst he was in charge, we had our easiest period of fixtures but he failed to pick up anywhere near enough points to leave us safe.

The Blackburn Rovers 2009-10 Premier League campaign says otherwise. Allardyce's reign at Bolton Wanderers says otherwise. Allardyce's points total while at Newcastle (27 points from 21 games), says otherwise.

NUFC have got exactly what they deserved for getting rid of Allardyce.

: Tue May 26, 2009 7:33 am  

ash4hullfc wrote:

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Some good points in there Ash but your obsession with blaming Allardyce is your undoing. Yes he made mistakes but his are the only ones you highlight, Ashley made the biggest mistakes yet has about two words devoted too him. Allardyce had nothing to do with your relegation. Yes you have been on the slide for a while but had Keegan not been undermined by Ashley then Newcastle would still be in the PL.

Funny how Blacburn were in worse trouble than you yet Sam managed to save them fairly comfortably.

Have you honestly seen anything in Shearer to suggest he could be a top manager other than it's Shearer, change of style? Galvanising the side? As an outsider he seems to have had little impact, not his fault you went down but his appointment seemed to bring little to the team in terms of immediate impact.

: Tue May 26, 2009 7:54 am  

Mark wrote:

Or when Rafa tried to take on Fergie then you won one in 5 ir something like that, in reality it's only us having games in hand that made the league look close.

do we think liverpool will do as well next year?

do we think United will venture out of 2nd gear more often?

: Tue May 26, 2009 8:15 am  

I'm wasn't sure United could manage 28 reasons to be proud of their league campaign so I started my own list:-

1. United are Premier League Champions.

I stopped after that, didn't seem much point.

: Tue May 26, 2009 8:15 am  

faxtastic wrote:

i think that even though hull did stay up and all credit to them for doing so.

i think they will need 8 or 9 players released by premier league clubs or loan signings next season to keep them up. the same squad next season i think would probably see hull going down.

Same applies to all the promoted sides, Liverpool's title aspirations, and Villa and Everton's chances of breaking the top 4. It was also said last year about the 3 who got promoted, with the only possible chance given to West Brom.

I really don't see the point in making predictions before a single move in the transfer market has been made. Yes the squads don't look good enough on paper, but they're as unlikely as possible to be the squads that start the season.

It'll be interesting to see what moves are made though, because I can't see the usual tactic of raiding the relegated clubs being as fruitful this time.

: Tue May 26, 2009 8:16 am  

Nemanja wrote: 28 reasons why Liverpool fans should be proud. Now wheres that picture of jose hitting his chin to simbolise chin up to the chelsea fans when you need it?

Nemanja wrote: 28 reasons why Liverpool fans should be proud. Now wheres that picture of jose hitting his chin to simbolise chin up to the chelsea fans when you need it?