Re: NFL Chat 3 : Mon Feb 15, 2010 1:04 pm  

Gaslight wrote:

Bill is too smart to take someone like Tebow, first 4 picks will be a pass rusher, running back, guard & defensive end.

Although I'd like to see him trade 47 & 53 + a 6th for #19 overall (Atlanta) then take Spiller (RB) at 19, Dunlap (DE/OLB) at 22 and Maukice Pouncey (OG/C) at 42, 3 players who could start week 1 and make a difference.

It's feasible that could happen - we have a number of needs on the defensive side of the ball which if they aren't addressed in free agency will be plugged in the draft, so losing a first round pick for multiple picks in the later rounds is a possibility.

Re: NFL Chat 3 : Mon Feb 15, 2010 5:06 pm  

Andy Gilder wrote:

It's feasible that could happen - we have a number of needs on the defensive side of the ball which if they aren't addressed in free agency will be plugged in the draft, so losing a first round pick for multiple picks in the later rounds is a possibility.

Especially in a draft as deep as this years, if the Falcons did such a trade with New England it would leave them with 3 second round picks to pick up potentially: Terrence Cody (DT), Jerry Hughes (DE - Freeney like speed) and a CB (there's a few that will go in the 2nd but aren't good enough to go at #19)

Re: NFL Chat 3 : Mon Feb 15, 2010 6:19 pm  

Gaslight wrote:

Bill is too smart to take someone like Tebow, first 4 picks will be a pass rusher, running back, guard & defensive end.

Although I'd like to see him trade 47 & 53 + a 6th for #19 overall (Atlanta) then take Spiller (RB) at 19, Dunlap (DE/OLB) at 22 and Maukice Pouncey (OG/C) at 42, 3 players who could start week 1 and make a difference.

You'd have to give up more than a 6th for that trade since they don't add up on the TVC. 47, 53 and your 4th (late in that round).

Plus Dunlap i don't think is worthy of the 22nd pick.

Re: NFL Chat 3 : Mon Feb 15, 2010 6:36 pm  

ST_CONROY wrote:

You'd have to give up more than a 6th for that trade since they don't add up on the TVC. 47, 53 and your 4th (late in that round).

Plus Dunlap i don't think is worthy of the 22nd pick.

With the Falcons needed defensive players they might offer up 2 2nds + Adalius Thomas.

It depends on what Urban Meyer tells BB what he's like in practice etc and how he interviews, he's the size/weight that BB looks for in a pass rusher to play the "elephant" role (Willie McGinest being the best the Pats have had recently). If it isn't Dunlap at #22 it could well be Brandon Graham who interviewed with the Pats SeniorBowl week.

Re: NFL Chat 3 : Mon Feb 15, 2010 8:45 pm  

Gaslight wrote:

With the Falcons needed defensive players they might offer up 2 2nds + Adalius Thomas.

It depends on what Urban Meyer tells BB what he's like in practice etc and how he interviews, he's the size/weight that BB looks for in a pass rusher to play the "elephant" role (Willie McGinest being the best the Pats have had recently). If it isn't Dunlap at #22 it could well be Brandon Graham who interviewed with the Pats SeniorBowl week.

The Falcons should eat that trade up all day. Your offering more than the TVC (by 15 points) and an additional player, even if they are quite a poor player.

I think the Pats will go with Gresham (TE) and get Graham in round 2. Graham isn't first round worthy and there are comparable players which will be available from round 2.

Re: NFL Chat 3 : Mon Feb 15, 2010 9:38 pm  

ST_CONROY wrote:

The Falcons should eat that trade up all day. Your offering more than the TVC (by 15 points) and an additional player, even if they are quite a poor player.

I think the Pats will go with Gresham (TE) and get Graham in round 2. Graham isn't first round worthy and there are comparable players which will be available from round 2.

The problem is it's nearly impossible to predict a draft with Bill in charge he pulls up some really left field picks, like last year taking Vollmer in the 2nd, everyone calling him a "reach" then by the end of the season was the best tackle on the team. I really hope he drafts Maurkice Pouncey though because he could spend a year at RG replacing Neal, then next year draft his twin brother (staying at Florida for his senior year) then move Maurkice to C where he played in college (bigger & better run blocker then the rather small Dan Koppen) and his brother to RG which would make a very good young O line of Vollmer-Mankins-Pouncey-Pouncey-another draft pick.

Then in 2011 the Pats also have 2 first rounders (one of which is from Oakland so it's pretty safe to say top 10) which could be brought forward in a trade if Bill wanted to draft someone like Rolando McClain or Joe Haden.

Oh I love Combine/draft time trying to guess what the coaches & GM's are thinking.

On one mock draft, here's a trade I wouldn't mind seeing:

*****Trade*****
Washington Trades #34 Overall, and TE Chris Cooley to New England for #22 Overall Pick

Re: NFL Chat 3 : Mon Feb 15, 2010 10:44 pm  

Gaslight wrote:

Oh I love Combine/draft time trying to guess what the coaches & GM's are thinking.

Me too. It's interesting who likes who. Consesus was Suh was the number 1 player, Mayock (who i don't neccesary agree with) has McCoy as number 1 now. Also i'm convinced Clausen is the best QB prospect (and i stress prospect) in a long long time and without doubt should be number 1 overall. The Rams guys on here (El Pac, AdamJK) seem to prefer Suh and now some people are suggesting in the media Bradford will be the number 1 QB. I've even seen mocks with Clausen going to the Rams.....at pick 33!!

Gaslight wrote:

On one mock draft, here's a trade I wouldn't mind seeing:

*****Trade*****
Washington Trades #34 Overall, and TE Chris Cooley to New England for #22 Overall Pick[/color]

That would be a disgusting trade. On the TVC that would value Cooley as equivalent to the 74th pick. Not to mention why would the Skins trade one of the best NFL TE's for little benefit. Has Bellicheat got somebody inside the Skins organisation...that is the only way the trade happens!

As an aside i'm liking our rankings in the expert rankings for 2010 on nfl.com, Joe Thiesman has us as number 1! Carriuci, La Canfora and Wyche have us at 3 (overall we are 3 in the expert rankings). Our lowest is 7. I agree with them in ranking us 3, if we sort out the offensive line, which we did and will, and get depth we can make the Superbowl.

Re: NFL Chat 3 : Tue Feb 16, 2010 12:34 am  

There's no way the Redskins trade Cooley,he's one of the fans favourites and with Shanahan coming in I can see him having his best years ahead of him.

Re: NFL Chat 3 : Wed Feb 17, 2010 12:21 pm  

DAR130 wrote:

There's no way the Redskins trade Cooley,he's one of the fans favourites and with Shanahan coming in I can see him having his best years ahead of him.

The Redskins should trade Daniel Snyder.

Re: NFL Chat 3 : Wed Feb 17, 2010 1:15 pm  

ST_CONROY wrote:

The Falcons should eat that trade up all day. Your offering more than the TVC (by 15 points) and an additional player, even if they are quite a poor player.

Can't see us wanting Thomas, he doesn't fit the Smith style of young, athletic, versatile players on defence. The primary need IMO is a space eater in the middle of the D line to take some attention off the likes of Abraham and Biermann.