Re: The Football Chat Thread : Sun Feb 12, 2012 12:56 pm  

Wnidyone2012 wrote:

Talking to my mate a Chelsea fan who has travelled home and away for years last night who had just got back from Goodison he is so anti AVB that surely AVB's time is up at the end of the season.

Chelsea are a great example of how having huge amounts of money can actually be a bad thing at a club.

The club is poisoned by cash and greed....They have players who are motivated by only one thing and that is cash. These same players are so selfish and money-focussed that they refuse to accept their own failings and, instead, when things go wrong, they gang up, protecting their own backs, and, put bluntly, get the manager sacked, by stopping playing.

The power that players now have, means that the clueless owner has little option but to wield the axe on his manager and then bring in another hand-tied puppet who, once the players get fed up with, will go the way of the others.

Everybody can see the problem at Chelsea....A number of players who, quite simply, are not good enough for a club of Chelsea's expectations - However , getting rid of a player or players isn't that simple, especially when they are on the sort of contracts that some of these players are on....For example, Torres, a player who is now completely and utterly shot, would normally be shipped out ASAP, but from Torres's point of view why would you seek a move when you are earning an absolute fortune, whcih is unlikely to be matched anywhere else in the world?

Sadly for Chelsea, this is a problem which will not go away quickly...They are no longer a top 2 side, just a top 6 side at best and that is a slide that doesn't look like being stopped with the owner's policy of constantly changing managers.

Re: The Football Chat Thread : Sun Feb 12, 2012 1:01 pm  

Wnidyone2012 wrote:

Talking to my mate a Chelsea fan who has travelled home and away for years last night who had just got back from Goodison he is so anti AVB that surely AVB's time is up at the end of the season.

Good things that AVB has done. 1. Brought Mata. 2. Brought Luiz.

That's about it really.

We appointed AVB way before he was ready. 1 awesome season just wasn't enough. SB just isn't the place to learn the ropes and AVB simply doesn't have anything close to the personality to win over either the players or the fans.

I do think though that unless we can bring either Jose or Guus back, we're stuck with AVB for 3 years. We can't just keep chopping and changing without reason. The only thing that will see AVB go is if he Benitez's us. While the players are merciless MF's who will go to any lengths to get rid of someone, I'm not sure even they are that hard.

Re: The Football Chat Thread : Sun Feb 12, 2012 1:01 pm  

LOL @ Liverpool scrambling to defend Suarez (yet again).

Suarez is a disgrace to the game and the manager is sadly heading in the same direction.

Re: The Football Chat Thread : Sun Feb 12, 2012 1:06 pm  

Smiggs wrote:

Don't remember all this fuss being made when Roy Keane and Paul Scholes refused to shakes Patrick Viera's hand before a game. Also can't recall Fergie calling either of them two a disgrace to ManU. Odd that.

Come on Smiggs the context and backdrop is completely different.

Re: The Football Chat Thread : Sun Feb 12, 2012 1:13 pm  

Matt23 wrote: LOL @ Liverpool scrambling to defend Suarez (yet again). Suarez is a disgrace to the game and the manager is sadly heading in the same direction. ha ha ha . 2 blokes didnt shake hands.wow. no one is being massacred in syria or no british troops being killed and maimed in afghan, no other tragedies around the world, nope the main news is 2 blokes who dislike each other not shaking hands.only in britain................ the racist fergiescum fined by uefa. http://www.thefreelibrary.com/FOOTBALL% ... a060400416 i dont recall kenny ever being found guilty and fined for racist abuse like the oh so innocent media dahling his lord highness of fergieland!!!!!!!! the hypocritical c**t.

Matt23 wrote: LOL @ Liverpool scrambling to defend Suarez (yet again). Suarez is a disgrace to the game and the manager is sadly heading in the same direction. ha ha ha . 2 blokes didnt shake hands.wow. no one is being massacred in syria or no british troops being killed and maimed in afghan, no other tragedies around the world, nope the main news is 2 blokes who dislike each other not shaking hands.only in britain................ the racist fergiescum fined by uefa. http://www.thefreelibrary.com/FOOTBALL% ... a060400416 i dont recall kenny ever being found guilty and fined for racist abuse like the oh so innocent media dahling his lord highness of fergieland!!!!!!!! the hypocritical c**t.

Re: The Football Chat Thread : Sun Feb 12, 2012 1:15 pm  

Dita's Slot Meter wrote:

....For example, Torres, a player who is now completely and utterly shot, would normally be shipped out ASAP, but from Torres's point of view why would you seek a move when you are earning an absolute fortune, whcih is unlikely to be matched anywhere else in the world?....

I don't disagree with most of your post, but whenever a "megabuy" like a Torres happens and he flops it's always going to be a struggle to figure out what to do. It's not like other clubs are queuing up to offer either us or Torres a way out of our problem.

FWIW I do think the problem is partly with CFC, partly with Torres and partly just bad luck. There's no doubt we don't play to Torres in any way effectively, but he hides way too much and doesn't do the basics of hunting for goals. And then there's the numerous times when he is tripped in the box and the refs rewards him for booking him. It just seems he can't catch a break.

Personally I think Torres has had his chance. Drogba has been off to Africa for the last month and Torres had the role. He's completely failed. Drogba should be the top man, Sturridge next in line. Torres can take any scraps that are left. And in the summer Torres should be offloaded in pretty much any way we can.

Re: The Football Chat Thread : Sun Feb 12, 2012 1:35 pm  

That Daniel Taylor fella, he's impartial isn't he.

Re: The Football Chat Thread : Sun Feb 12, 2012 1:36 pm  

Lord God Jose Mourinho wrote:

I don't disagree with most of your post, but whenever a "megabuy" like a Torres happens and he flops it's always going to be a struggle to figure out what to do. It's not like other clubs are queuing up to offer either us or Torres a way out of our problem.

FWIW I do think the problem is partly with CFC, partly with Torres and partly just bad luck. There's no doubt we don't play to Torres in any way effectively, but he hides way too much and doesn't do the basics of hunting for goals. And then there's the numerous times when he is tripped in the box and the refs rewards him for booking him. It just seems he can't catch a break.

Personally I think Torres has had his chance. Drogba has been off to Africa for the last month and Torres had the role. He's completely failed. Drogba should be the top man, Sturridge next in line. Torres can take any scraps that are left. And in the summer Torres should be offloaded in pretty much any way we can.

The thing is, releasing Torres in his present form and at this particular moment would result in a massive hit of Chelsea's finances.

Transfer fee??.....£20 million at best from a PSG or that ambitious Russian club (but would Torres really want to go there?)....Maybe a Juve or Milan side might take a gamble on him recovering his form, but you definitely can't see a Spanish or English club going for him, so its going to mean Torres accepting he is no longer 'box-office' and having to drop a level.

Wages?.....I presume he is on a lengthy contract so that would be a hefty pay-off to get him out of the door??

So added together you are looking at close to a £50 million loss on just Torres....Combine this with losses you would have to take on several other under-acheivers in the squad and its fair to say that it will take a costly exercise to get Chelsea back on the rails.

As I said, it isn't going to be an overnight thing.

Re: The Football Chat Thread : Sun Feb 12, 2012 1:37 pm  

keithcun wrote:

That Daniel Taylor fella, he's impartial isn't he.

By that, you mean he has wrote something that self-pitying Liverpool fans don't agree with?....

Re: The Football Chat Thread : Sun Feb 12, 2012 1:44 pm  

On the Torres front.

Two weeks ago, some in the media laughably suggested that City and Liverpool may arrange a swap deal between Tevez (one of the best footballers on the planet, but, as a human being, a total 'wazzock', I hate the swear filter at times) and Carroll (out of his depth in a puddle). A far better suggestion would have been City and Chelsea swap (until the end of the season) Tevez and Torres. Tevez puts himself in the shop window, for his imminent summer departure, and Torres gets to play in a side that would give him umpteen chances a game. The law of averages would say that he'll start to score goals again.

Tevez gets football again
Torres starts scoring goals again

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