Re: The Football Chat Thread : Sat Oct 30, 2010 12:11 am  

D.D. wrote:

I said right from the first query that the actual technical, official axe fell when we were 6th. It's just that the decision was made when we were 8th, so that was what the sacking was based on. That's the issue here. The whole discussion about the reasons he went. If the reasoning was based purely on league positioning, then it was when we were 8th that the decision was made. You might not think it's significant when the decision was made. That's your look out.

There was 2 1/2 days between your defeat at Spurs and the Sunderland game. Liverpool moved above you when you lost at Spurs, Birmingham moved above you the night before when they won.

So in those two working days between losing at Spurs you think the Citeh board made a decision to replace Hughes, identify Mancini as a target, contact his agent, arrange a meeting to discuss things, quickly agree that Mancini would take over, agree terms and decide to get rid of Hughes after the Sunderland match?

You might believe that. People who use their minds won't.

The truth is that Hughes was probably never the manager that the MCFC board wanted. At the start of the season results were really good so he was left in position because he'd earned it. Then the draws started coming, and coming, and coming, and his support would have dwindled. After a few draws lists were probably drawn up, calls from agents were being put through quicker and the conversations became more detailed. It's just as likely that the 3-3 draw with Bolton was the final nail in Hughes's coffin as the Spurs match. But MCFC could have lined up Mancini at pretty much any point after they took over. They could have just been waiting until Hughes gave them an excuse to get rid of him.

There is wasting money and there is squandering £175 million.

Citeh have made some top-notch signings. IMO you probably wouldn't have been able to make most of those signings had you not "squandered" the money in the first place. Citeh made clear improvements with Hughes and those helped build the foundations for even better players.

And what qualifies you to know whether they are bullshit or real? From all those miles away, you know best about people you have never met. Do me a favour and fuck off will you? You haven't got a clue what you are talking about here, so don't profess to.

I read what you write. Some Citeh bigwig or scout might blab his mouth to borderline retarded supporters like you, but I doubt it. If you do have a decent source, it's farking wasted on you.

Clearly, and that was part of the problem.

But that's not particularly about the man-management skills of the two managers, it's about the different positions they were in.

To55er player tells Mancini to fark off in training. Mancini can kick him out of the club, or hammer him however he sees fit. The same To55er could have told Hughes to fark off and when Hughes was getting ready to turf him out the Citeh board could have ummed and ahh'd about how they needed to maximise the return they got on him. Then when the board meet they aren't discussing getting rid of the to55er, they're saying that Hughes is incapable of managing his squad and they need to find a new manager quickly.

Two different managers, the same situation and the same man-management. Just a different response from the board.

Depends on who AN Other is and who told AN Other.

Not really. A "friendly" board member could have a word in your ear that you're gone after the match. That's still not enough for you to be able to walk away and get a decent pay-out.

So we accept that he knew then?

If he lived in a secret cave then it's possible he hadn't heard the rumours. But there's a huge difference between hearing rumours and officially getting the sack.

So sacking a general manager and then having him stay on while you find someone else, is totally different than sacking someone of a slightly different position then having him stay on while you find someone else? Er. Eh? Either way, he's been sacked and he won't be there after the new man is coming in, so it ain't exactly that different is it?

It's massively different.

Allison was sacked because he wasn't good enough.

Book was probably going because the experiment of a general manager simply wasn't working. To quote wikipedia: Book remained manager until 1979, when he was replaced by his former mentor Malcolm Allison. He then became a loyal stalwart to the club in several other roles until 1997, including as caretaker manager again in 1993.

Look at his managerial record FFS!

Teams managed
1973 Manchester City
1974–1978 Manchester City
1980 Manchester City
1989 Manchester City
1993 Manchester City

I wonder if he ever got confused which club he was managing?

Re: The Football Chat Thread : Sat Oct 30, 2010 5:37 am  

D.D. wrote:

I said right from the first query that the actual technical, official axe fell when we were 6th. It's just that the decision was made when we were 8th, so that was what the sacking was based on. That's the issue here. The whole discussion about the reasons he went. If the reasoning was based purely on league positioning, then it was when we were 8th that the decision was made. You might not think it's significant when the decision was made. That's your look out.

There is wasting money and there is squandering £175 million

And what qualifies you to know whether they are bullshit or real? From all those miles away, you know best about people you have never met. Do me a favour and fuck off will you? You haven't got a clue what you are talking about here, so don't profess to.

He's whined about being homesick. Any talk about quitting seems to have come from the press' spin on things rather than anything else.

Clearly, and that was part of the problem.

Depends on who AN Other is and who told AN Other.

So we accept that he knew then?

So sacking a general manager and then having him stay on while you find someone else, is totally different than sacking someone of a slightly different position then having him stay on while you find someone else? Er. Eh? Either way, he's been sacked and he won't be there after the new man is coming in, so it ain't exactly that different is it?

What's your view on Gary Cook dave? Comes across as an utter cnt to me and has embarassed your club quite a few times.

Re: The Football Chat Thread : Sat Oct 30, 2010 10:35 am  

Cook's certainly embarassed the club a few times and the less he says publicly the better. There does seem to a view from those fans closer to the club that he is much better behind the scenes than his public utterances would suggest.

The most charitable view of the manner of Hughes sacking that I've heard was that it was more cock up than conspiracy. Khaldoon wanted to tell him in person but couldnt get there on the Friday and that simply delayed the announcement and the finalisation of the severance terms. Hughes knew that he would be sacked, because nobody was denying it, considered walking away before the Sunderland match but was advised by the LMA to see the match through.

I think the debate about City's league position on certain dates is largely meaningless. The issue wasn't really the team's position in the table it was the direction in which it was heading and whether Hughes could eradicate the inconsistencies and defensive weaknesses that meant that we were capable of beating Chelsea but could also concede 3 goals at home to Burnley and turn in the sort of abject performance we saw in the 3-0 defeat at Spurs.

Re: The Football Chat Thread : Sat Oct 30, 2010 3:53 pm  

Thats why Chelsea will be in the title race come the end of the season and citeh won't

Re: The Football Chat Thread : Sat Oct 30, 2010 4:07 pm  

MrPhilb wrote:

Thats why Chelsea will be in the title race come the end of the season and citeh won't

Great result for us, based on the play. 90 seconds before the winner Jason Roberts ended a fantastic move by putting the ball the wrong side of the post when he really should have scored. The other Diouff also put the ball the wrong side of the post when flinging himself at the far post.

Re: The Football Chat Thread : Sat Oct 30, 2010 4:21 pm  

lolcity

Bunch of Mercenary *****.

Re: The Football Chat Thread : Sat Oct 30, 2010 5:19 pm  

Forget the last four pages. I feel for any poor sod of a manager who has to try and get the best out of those twats.

One consistent through the whole thing is that these so called superstars can only motivate themselves when it suits them. Without Tevez to lead by example, we are pretty hopeless.

I really felt sorry for Mancini in his post match interview. He looked at a loss to explain what was happening around him.

I've not changed my mind on Hughes though. he was the one who brought in most of the work-shy buggers.

Re: The Football Chat Thread : Sat Oct 30, 2010 6:15 pm  

Well that 2nd Utd goal there is farcical. Clattenburg has no idea what was going on and TBH even having seen the replies neither do I. Strangest goal you will see all season.

EDIT: Seen another angle and it wasn't a goal. Linesman was right and the referee over ruled him. Week off for Mr Clatternburg coming up.

Re: The Football Chat Thread : Sat Oct 30, 2010 6:18 pm  

El Pac Carnegie wrote:

Well that 2nd Utd goal there is farcical. Clattenburg has no idea what was going on and TBH even having seen the replies neither do I. Strangest goal you will see all season.

EDIT: Seen another angle and it wasn't a goal. Linesman was right and the referee over ruled him. Week off for Mr Clatternburg coming up.

He should find a new job.

Re: The Football Chat Thread : Sat Oct 30, 2010 6:21 pm  

Lord God Jose Mourinho wrote:

He should find a new job.

You seen it? How has he managed to give it?