Re: The Football Chat Thread : Thu Feb 09, 2012 5:58 pm  

Catalancs wrote:

Tell us which of the player that played under Capello that you'd say are truly world class, you know, the quality of player that could win the world cup or European championship.

How many of the Greece team were world class, or the Italian side of 2006.

I think that he did a decent job given his qualification record. He'll split opinion, his stats look impressive yet for his salary, the FA will no doubt feel short changed.

I think Redknapp will take it, I think he'll take a largely experimental squad to EU2012 and really he's got a free ticket. If we do better than expected, he's a miracle worker. If we perform poorly, what could he do given the timescale, picking up the mess. He can't lose. He can also help this cause by taking a young squad and then he can tell us how the plan was to get a tournament into this lot before WC2014.

If I was him, I'd take a group of 'leaders' in Parker, Gerrard, Rooney, Cole & Carrick and then the rest of the squad I would take young emerging players, I'd emphasise to the above that they all need to take some responsibility and leave it at that. Squad something like :

Hart, Foster/AN Other, Richards/Walker, Jones, Dawson, Lescott, Jagielka, A.Cole, Baines, Parker (c), Gerrard, Wilshire, Carrick, A.Young, Lennon, Oxlade-Chamberlain, Walcott, Sturridge, Rooney, Welbeck, Carroll.

*Adam Johnson, Defoe, Cleverley, Rodwell, Bent etc etc see if someone finishes the season like a train to force inclusion.
He can force the FA's hand salary wise as he has support from supporters, the media, the FA itself, the players, so he'll have leverage to get the salary he craves.

Re: The Football Chat Thread : Thu Feb 09, 2012 6:00 pm  

On a different subject, with Ireland at Euro 2012, surely the uncapped James McClean must be playing his way onto that plane. He could be a weapon in that tournament, he's got something about him.

Re: The Football Chat Thread : Thu Feb 09, 2012 6:35 pm  

JWP wrote:

How many of the Greece team were world class, or the Italian side of 2006.

I think that he did a decent job given his qualification record. He'll split opinion, his stats look impressive yet for his salary, the FA will no doubt feel short changed.

I think Redknapp will take it, I think he'll take a largely experimental squad to EU2012 and really he's got a free ticket. If we do better than expected, he's a miracle worker. If we perform poorly, what could he do given the timescale, picking up the mess. He can't lose. He can also help this cause by taking a young squad and then he can tell us how the plan was to get a tournament into this lot before WC2014.

If I was him, I'd take a group of 'leaders' in Parker, Gerrard, Rooney, Cole & Carrick and then the rest of the squad I would take young emerging players, I'd emphasise to the above that they all need to take some responsibility and leave it at that. Squad something like :

Hart, Foster/AN Other, Richards/Walker, Jones, Dawson, Lescott, Jagielka, A.Cole, Baines, Parker (c), Gerrard, Wilshire, Carrick, A.Young, Lennon, Oxlade-Chamberlain, Walcott, Sturridge, Rooney, Welbeck, Carroll.

*Adam Johnson, Defoe, Cleverley, Rodwell, Bent etc etc see if someone finishes the season like a train to force inclusion.
He can force the FA's hand salary wise as he has support from supporters, the media, the FA itself, the players, so he'll have leverage to get the salary he craves.

No no no no no

Re: The Football Chat Thread : Thu Feb 09, 2012 6:45 pm  

100% Wire wrote:

No no no no no

sounds like you've been watching too much of the Vicar of Dibley mate !

Re: The Football Chat Thread : Thu Feb 09, 2012 7:06 pm  

sanjunien wrote:

sounds like you've been watching too much of the Vicar of Dibley mate !

Lost on me, mate.

I'll probably get the third-degree from the Kopites on why i wouldn't take Carroll, and the answer is simple... he's $hit.

HTH

But on a serious note, do we really want to make the same mistake as we did when playing Crouch or Heskey and just lump it up front to the big target man? I don't want that.

Re: The Football Chat Thread : Thu Feb 09, 2012 7:12 pm  

I suppose the one thing going for Harry is that he is a lucky manager.....His actual record is questionable.

Nothing special at West Ham, got Pompey up (probably his best acheievement), relegated Southampton, then got to walk back in at Pompey just as they were preparing to go on one of the most ill-judged cash splurges of all time (and Harry wasn't going to question where the cash came from, was he???.. ), winning them the Cup and bankrupting them at the same time....Then walking into the job at Spurs, reputation somehow intact, where he gets to play Football Manager for real, wheeler-dealing until his heart is content....

Now he can walk into the England job, being hailed the new messiah by all and sundry....

What will be interesting though is that he gets to do what no other England manager has had before, and that is to have his 'honeymoon' period during an actual competition....Little media pressure or expectation, he might just enjoy that boost in results and performance that many new managers have when starting new jobs, and if he does, who knows what might happen to England?

Re: The Football Chat Thread : Thu Feb 09, 2012 7:33 pm  

I disagree with those saying Redknapp can't lose taking over for the Euro's. Simply put, the English media do not tolerate England not performing, they simply won't have the team under performing. Every manager since God knows when has taken over 'a mess', but every time the results don't come, they are sent packing by the English press for the most baffling of reasons.

If Redknapp takes England to the Euro's and they fail as expected, the English media will immediately say "why let such a failure take the team to the world cup? Why risk world cup qualification?". The media are apparently most annoyed at Capello for not learning English and not letting the players do as they like at the world cup, apparently it was dead nasty and destroyed the camp. If England under perform at the Euro's and the media see the lads on a night out or swanning around with their wags, the usual questions will be back out and we'll be back to Sven.

For me, unless Redknapp wins the Euro's, or goes on some magical spell and gets England to, say, the semi finals, he'll be lauded, but if England go there, play the usual stuff and get KO'd by the first decent side they play, Redknapp will get hammered as per, although Capello will take a lot of the rap for it, Redknapp won't escape criticism.

If I were England, I'd be looking at a manager like Hiddink or Mourinho (who may be available IMO), good motivators who the fans will immediately take to. If they want Redknaoo which seems obvious, they should wait until the summer.

Re: The Football Chat Thread : Thu Feb 09, 2012 7:44 pm  

I think what Steve McClaren did at Middlesbrough, taking them to their first major trophy, guiding them through to the UEFA cup final (admittedly getting badly beaten in the final), was just as much an achievement as 'Arry''s achievements at club level, and we know how McClaren's England career went..........

Re: The Football Chat Thread : Thu Feb 09, 2012 8:28 pm  

Well, HM Press and the televisual media have got what they wanted-Cappello gone. JOB DONE....just like

Bobby Robson.....hounded out of the job, even before Italia 90 had even started, leaking stories of an affair, a fortnight before the tournament. Yeah, that was never gonna do ANY harm for team moral, was it?

Graham Taylor....character assasination.....I wouldn't treat next door's dog, the way the press treated Taylor (anyone under the age of 30 MUST try to watch a Channel 4 documentary called Graham Taylor:An Impossible Job.....car-crash TV), even though he plainly wasn't up to the job

Glenn Hoddle....hounded out by the media, over a newspaper interview which was twisted out of context, to suit the media's agenda

Keegan....the media's choice, who jumped ship (typically) before the media set upon him, like a pack of dogs

SGE......Persecuted over his bedroom antics

McLaren.....basically hung out to dry over the use of an umbrella when his team got beat (but, similarly to Taylor, not good enough at this level, but did bloody well in Holland, and won the league immediately, with a team that had done nothing for decades)

and now Capello...hounded out over an interview in a foreign country, over a player in his squad. They wanted him out....they got their wish.

The Sunday Suppository (Sunday Supplement on Sky Sports) will be unbearable this Sunday morning, with that smug 2@ Woolnough and his Acolytes oozing "look what we've done for you, England fans, we've managed to get rid of that Itie fella we didn't like, for you. AREN'T WE GREAT?".

So, who do we have to take over?

Tax Dodging 'arry...1 trophy in 30 years of management, and only been at one biggish club in all that time. If he was that good, SURELY, someone would've poached him sooner.

Pearce......dear God, NO. You only have to look at the 'football' played at City, during his 2 and a bit year tenure

Pardew.....WHO?

My preference, in no particular order
Hodgson....good record wherever he's been (apart from (Kl)Anfield
Hiddink...again, good record, and well respected throughout the game
Morinho....winner, but as a human being...a t0553r

Re: The Football Chat Thread : Thu Feb 09, 2012 9:06 pm  

Dan_FC wrote:

The point wasn't about the players really though was it? It was about Rob's view of Capello being some sort of super manager that England players aren't up to his ability, strange comment.
I've never thought England were good enough to win a major championship, possibly the later rounds like QF or maybe SF but there are teams much better than England. There's a transition going on with England, there's a lot of older players who need someone to drop them and a crop of younger players who look to have plenty of ability, the future doesn't look bad at all for England.

I was supporting the view that English doesn't automatically mean quality and we've all seen that it doesn't (Steve VanClaren anyone?).
To be honest I don't really care too much about the international game anymore. It's sad but I just can't seem to get excited about world cups or European championships like I did when I was a little lad or teenager. There's far too much fear of losing and that leads to cautious, negative-minded football.