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Re: The Football Chat (cont) : Sun Apr 08, 2012 11:26 pm  
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Yes, I agree.....At Chelsea, Mourinho spent millions, and had a significant financial advantage over his rivals and it still took him 3 or 4 seasons to win a title, just like Mancini??

Hmmmmm, no.....He won 2 titles in his first two years, because he's a top manager and actually realised the importance of building a team and creating a unity within that side.

Mancini has just built a side of individuals, who show little sign of anything resembling team spirit, whilst showing little respect for their club or manager.....This end of season collapse is indictive of the poison that exists in the whole money-saturated set up at Eastlands.

Anybody with half a footballing brain can see that Mancini needs replacing, because he has little idea of how to foster a title-winning spirit within the side.....Once it came to the nitty-gritty of winter football, him and his mercenaries have been laughably found out for the overpaid softies they obviously are.

Only Hart and Kompany can hold up their heads with any pride after their shambolic collapse in form.


You do tickle me up. 'Nitty gritty winter football', dear God, you're not one of those "Messi couldn't do it on a January night at the Britannia" type, are you?

You would think Citeh are on a Liverpool-esque run of form at the moment. Their past few results haven't been good enough, but pretty much every side in football goes through 'rough patches'. Go look at the league table, they're on seventy one points, they've only lost five games in the league this season. They really aren't as bad as you're making them out to be, whilst some of their performances this season have been stupendously brilliant. I said before, Mancini does so many things right as a manager, but he seems to lack something when it comes to taking his sides to another level.

The situation is a bit like the situation in Spain at the moment, you pretty much have to win every game or else you'll drop away. Barcelona have played fantastically well this season, as good as any side in Europe whilst they've blooded some youngsters and missed Villa to injury, yet they are still four points off. Similarly, Real Madrid have been amongst the best sides in the world since Ronaldo went there, but they've won nothing of note, it doesn't mean Mourinho isn't good enough, sometimes you just have to hold your hand up and admit that the opposition have been stupidly good. United have. Whether you rate them or not is irrelevant, their form tells all of the stories that matter.

For me, City should only get rid of Mancini if they have a clear view of the future and they have a man already lined up. For me, they find themselves in a sticky situation because the type of side they have requires a different kind of coach. They could sign a manager based on pure ability and go for somebody like Klopp or Jogi Low, but can you guarantee they can manage a dressing room of huge egos, huge talents and disgruntled players signed by another manager? They could go for a manager that's proven with experienced players, like Hiddink or Mourinho, but then with FFP, how restricted will they be in their desire to invest and make the obvious replacements?

For me it's a tricky situation and getting rid won't always guarantee trophies. I've been impressed with City for long spells this year, they're not perfect but they're still a sensational side. Mancini deserves a lot of praise for that. If I were City's owners, I'd lay down an expectation to win every game 'til the season's end and hope for the best, if he does, he keeps his job (unless, say, a Mourinho becomes interested), if he doesn't get the results and the form continues, then he can't have too many arguments about losing his job given the expectations.
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Re: The Football Chat (cont) : Sun Apr 08, 2012 11:56 pm  
Dita's Slot Meter wrote:
Yes, I agree.....At Chelsea, Mourinho spent millions, and had a significant financial advantage over his rivals and it still took him 3 or 4 seasons to win a title, just like Mancini??

Hmmmmm, no.....He won 2 titles in his first two years, because he's a top manager and actually realised the importance of building a team and creating a unity within that side.


So basically your whole argument is based on one single manager with one single team? Because it happened that once it must happen every single time? That doesn't sound right to me. IIRC it took Fergie several years to build his championship winning team and even if he didn't have Mancini levels of spending he had more than enough to be effective. That's one counter argument to your instant success theory.

It's like you're willing him to be sacked and trumping up an argument because Mancini hasn't met up to your expectations. Will you really be that upset and aggrieved if City continue with him as manager?
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Re: The Football Chat (cont) : Sun Apr 08, 2012 11:59 pm  
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Impressive isn't it. I can't think of anyone who could come in and do a job like that.


Fabregas could - he has the talent and skill - but think the chance of tempting him away from his boyhood club to play for one of his old club's rivals is fairly slim. :lol:

Shame Xavi isn't ten years younger.
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Re: The Football Chat (cont) : Mon Apr 09, 2012 6:53 am  
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The other mistakes were his handling of Carlos Tevez. Once he refused to come on and did a runner to Argentina, he should have had his contract torn up. I really can't see why City didn't do this. They would have had a list of contract breaches as long as their arm. By all accounts he wouldn't have signed for another English team, so it's a problem solved. He isn't that good a player that you would put up with his nonsense and City can more than afford to pay him off if he somehow won the ensuing legal claim. You do that or sell him at a bargain basement price and pay whatever chunk of his wages his next club required.
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Wouldn't it be wonderful if life were this simple.

If City had done this Tevez would have signed for another club with a huge signing on fee and player power would have won again. Not only would Tevez be laughing but City would have lost out financially...... Maybe they could have sued him but how long would that have taken (Chelsea sacked Mutu when he failed a drugs test several years ago and are still going through various courts to get compensation now)

As for the line about City being able to afford to pay him off, their wealth has no relevance on the matter. Why waste tens of millions to give one player exactly what he wants....... Let's not forget about the financial fair play rule too.

I do laugh at some of the posts on here who use the Tevez situation as stick to beat Mancini with. The only thing he did wrong in the whole situation was saying he will never play for the club again immediately after the Bayern match. He should have simply refused to comment.

The other laughable thing is the majority of people thinking he should be sacked are fans of other clubs. Most City fans think he should stay.
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Re: The Football Chat (cont) : Mon Apr 09, 2012 10:05 am  
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For me, City should only get rid of Mancini if they have a clear view of the future and they have a man already lined up. For me, they find themselves in a sticky situation because the type of side they have requires a different kind of coach. They could sign a manager based on pure ability and go for somebody like Klopp or Jogi Low, but can you guarantee they can manage a dressing room of huge egos, huge talents and disgruntled players signed by another manager? They could go for a manager that's proven with experienced players, like Hiddink or Mourinho, but then with FFP, how restricted will they be in their desire to invest and make the obvious replacements?

Could you imagen Rafa at City, with financial backing? Frightening thought.
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Re: The Football Chat (cont) : Mon Apr 09, 2012 10:55 am  
Any Bradford coming to Shrews today? Asim?
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Re: The Football Chat (cont) : Mon Apr 09, 2012 1:23 pm  
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Any Bradford coming to Shrews today? Asim?

I'm sure there will be a few hundred masochists travelling. I'd have been there if we'd not won on Friday.
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Re: The Football Chat (cont) : Mon Apr 09, 2012 3:34 pm  
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Could you imagen Rafa at City, with financial backing? Frightening thought.



Very frightening, could proper bleed the owners billions dry. Had financial backing at Liverpool, all it would mean is that he'd waste alot more at City. Clueless.
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Re: The Football Chat (cont) : Mon Apr 09, 2012 3:45 pm  
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Re: The Football Chat (cont) : Mon Apr 09, 2012 3:56 pm  


Let me hazard a guess........you fully agree with what he is saying?


Let me hazard a guess........you fully agree with what he is saying?
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