Re: Football Chat Thread PART II : Sat Jun 21, 2014 1:19 pm  

duke street 10 wrote: What do the football coaches teach youngsters at an early age in this country?. Why do we look terrible at controlling and keeping the ball?, nobody looks comfortable with the thing at their feet. Its time for the F.A to sorted it. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UEFA_Pro_Licence - scroll down to statistics. I think there's also complaints from clubs that they aren't allowed access to kids in anything like the way other countries are. Trevor Brooking was tasked with sorting these things out. He's just announced he's quitting, he hasn't done much apart from complain about not being able to do much.

duke street 10 wrote: What do the football coaches teach youngsters at an early age in this country?. Why do we look terrible at controlling and keeping the ball?, nobody looks comfortable with the thing at their feet. Its time for the F.A to sorted it. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UEFA_Pro_Licence - scroll down to statistics. I think there's also complaints from clubs that they aren't allowed access to kids in anything like the way other countries are. Trevor Brooking was tasked with sorting these things out. He's just announced he's quitting, he hasn't done much apart from complain about not being able to do much.

Re: Football Chat Thread PART II : Sat Jun 21, 2014 3:23 pm  

Lord God Jose Mourinho wrote:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UEFA_Pro_Licence - scroll down to statistics.

I think there's also complaints from clubs that they aren't allowed access to kids in anything like the way other countries are.

Trevor Brooking was tasked with sorting these things out. He's just announced he's quitting, he hasn't done much apart from complain about not being able to do much.

That's shocking, how can the F.A justify charging so much compared to other countries?.

Why on earth blow so much on St Georges Park when the players that arrive there will be so far behind others from Europe and further afield technically?

Re: Football Chat Thread PART II : Sat Jun 21, 2014 6:28 pm  

Lord God Jose Mourinho wrote:

FlexWheeler wrote:

Ferguson would never happen in a billion years.

Why wouldn't it happen? Because he's a Scot? Didn't stop him from managing England's biggest club. He might turn it down, but he should still be asked if he would do it.

Yes, because managing one of englands biggest domestic clubs is the same as managing the national team.

Fergie has run his race. He's done 25 years at one of the biggest clubs in the world winning everything possible multiple times. If he had any desire to manage the english national team he'd have done it before he retired, because i'm sure the FA will have put feelers out at various times. He's done. He's retired. I'm also not sure but i think he went on record during his career saying he wouldn't want the job.

Re: Football Chat Thread PART II : Sat Jun 21, 2014 7:25 pm  

Fergie stepping down from Manchester United to take over the England national team is a completely different situation from him stepping out of retirement to take over England.

Managing Man United has become a far bigger job than managing England. You have better players, you're playing at a higher level.

Fergie said lots of things during his career. Some of it was even true. But asking him if he'd ever manage England when he was at MU was never likely to get serious thought. If he's loving retirement and happy to be free of the hassle then he'll say no. But it could be that he's a bit bored in retirement and would jump at the chance of working part time in international football for a similar wage to what he was on at Old Trafford.

Greg Dyke is at the FA. He's been on the board at Man United so he'll have Fergie's number. He should be calling him this week and seeing if he wants the job. If he does then Hodgson should be sacked and Fergie should be given the job. If he says no then keep Hodgson as we're unlikely to get anyone better if he goes. But Fergie is many times better than Hodgson, he is possibly available and he should be asked.

Re: Football Chat Thread PART II : Sat Jun 21, 2014 8:59 pm  

Lord God Jose Mourinho wrote:

Fergie stepping down from Manchester United to take over the England national team is a completely different situation from him stepping out of retirement to take over England.

Managing Man United has become a far bigger job than managing England. You have better players, you're playing at a higher level.

Fergie said lots of things during his career. Some of it was even true. But asking him if he'd ever manage England when he was at MU was never likely to get serious thought. If he's loving retirement and happy to be free of the hassle then he'll say no. But it could be that he's a bit bored in retirement and would jump at the chance of working part time in international football for a similar wage to what he was on at Old Trafford.

Greg Dyke is at the FA. He's been on the board at Man United so he'll have Fergie's number. He should be calling him this week and seeing if he wants the job. If he does then Hodgson should be sacked and Fergie should be given the job. If he says no then keep Hodgson as we're unlikely to get anyone better if he goes. But Fergie is many times better than Hodgson, he is possibly available and he should be asked.

It'll never happen in a billion years.

Re: Football Chat Thread PART II : Sat Jun 21, 2014 9:39 pm  

duke street 10 wrote:

What do the football coaches teach youngsters at an early age in this country?.

Why do we look terrible at controlling and keeping the ball?, nobody looks comfortable with the thing at their feet.

Its time for the F.A to sorted it.

It's because when the initial scouting is done at 5-8, they look for players that stand out matches, rather than watching them train. So that's the fast players, the physically strong players. If a kid is one of those that looks a year older than he actually is physically, they're an almost automatic pick. My cousin is the apple in everyone's eyes in the family at the moment, having been scouted and asked to train with Everton, Liverpool, United and City recently. He's a freak of a kid physically, more like a 10 year old than the 7 he is. Talent? He's got two left feet and does nothing but tackle/push the other kids off the ball then dribble it forward until he hits an opposition player's legs, then hacks away until he's free, the repeats. There are three or four kids on his team far better with a football than him, who barely get a kick during games, let alone attract any interest.

At junior levels they've tried to copy the Spanish system with reduced player numbers, but it won't work. It just means kids like my cousin find it easier as there are a few less legs to hack it past and all the easier to dominate games. Until they start picking kids on technical ability (To develop them physically) rather than picking the fast/strong kids (To develop them technically) they won't improve anything.

Re: Football Chat Thread PART II : Sun Jun 22, 2014 9:05 am  

Saddened! wrote:

Hodgson should go. He has caused the early exit through his tactics. He clearly decided that copying Liverpool was the way to go, but then decided to play players like Wellbeck where Liverpool would have a Countinho. Making the mistake a second time against Uruguay was inexcusable.

England would have gone through by now had he played Lallana and Barkley from the start.

Depending on how tough the qualifying group is for the Euros I'd go with something like:

GK - Hart
DR - Clyne / Walker
DC - Stones
DC - Cahill
DL - Shaw
ML - Lallana
MR - Sterling
DMC - Henderson
MC - Wilshere
AMC - Barkley
FC - Sturridge

Plenty of ability there and should be a team that would be comfortable on the ball. It would obviously need a more robust lineup against any half decent sides. We can't drag the likes of Gerrard (Who has been lacking this WC) and Rooney through the Euros, they have to use them to plan for getting through the groups at the next WC.

Its ok picking a best 11 but they're never all going to be available to play. At least 2 or 3 will be unavailable. England's problem is that we don't have decent players to come in as back ups. Its been that way since 1982 when our world cup was de-railed by injuries to Keegan and Brooking.

Re: Football Chat Thread PART II : Sun Jun 22, 2014 11:10 am  

Saddened! wrote:

duke street 10 wrote:

What do the football coaches teach youngsters at an early age in this country?.

Why do we look terrible at controlling and keeping the ball?, nobody looks comfortable with the thing at their feet.

Its time for the F.A to sorted it.

It's because when the initial scouting is done at 5-8, they look for players that stand out matches, rather than watching them train. So that's the fast players, the physically strong players. If a kid is one of those that looks a year older than he actually is physically, they're an almost automatic pick. My cousin is the apple in everyone's eyes in the family at the moment, having been scouted and asked to train with Everton, Liverpool, United and City recently. He's a freak of a kid physically, more like a 10 year old than the 7 he is. Talent? He's got two left feet and does nothing but tackle/push the other kids off the ball then dribble it forward until he hits an opposition player's legs, then hacks away until he's free, the repeats. There are three or four kids on his team far better with a football than him, who barely get a kick during games, let alone attract any interest.

At junior levels they've tried to copy the Spanish system with reduced player numbers, but it won't work. It just means kids like my cousin find it easier as there are a few less legs to hack it past and all the easier to dominate games. Until they start picking kids on technical ability (To develop them physically) rather than picking the fast/strong kids (To develop them technically) they won't improve anything.

That really angers me.

When his peers catch up physically your cousin will go to nothing. Yet he's been scouted left right and centre, idiots.

Re: Football Chat Thread PART II : Sun Jun 22, 2014 12:24 pm  

Saddened! wrote:

It's because when the initial scouting is done at 5-8, they look for players that stand out matches, rather than watching them train. So that's the fast players, the physically strong players. If a kid is one of those that looks a year older than he actually is physically, they're an almost automatic pick. My cousin is the apple in everyone's eyes in the family at the moment, having been scouted and asked to train with Everton, Liverpool, United and City recently. He's a freak of a kid physically, more like a 10 year old than the 7 he is. Talent? He's got two left feet and does nothing but tackle/push the other kids off the ball then dribble it forward until he hits an opposition player's legs, then hacks away until he's free, the repeats. There are three or four kids on his team far better with a football than him, who barely get a kick during games, let alone attract any interest.

At junior levels they've tried to copy the Spanish system with reduced player numbers, but it won't work. It just means kids like my cousin find it easier as there are a few less legs to hack it past and all the easier to dominate games. Until they start picking kids on technical ability (To develop them physically) rather than picking the fast/strong kids (To develop them technically) they won't improve anything.

That tragic

Why doesn't this country adopt the Brazilian indoor football method for the juniors? (I have forgotten its exact name).

Small pitches, heavy smaller ball etc

Re: Football Chat Thread PART II : Sun Jun 22, 2014 10:59 pm  

There are so many reasons we don't produce great young players, you could go on for days about the varying reasons. Ultimately, the kids we product can't want it enough. Suarez isn't a gifted athlete, he isn't tall, he isn't prolifically quick, he hasn't been raised with Uefa grade A coaches, he hasn't played on professional pitches and you can be sure as hell he wasn't a product of 'the system'. He's fiercely determined, he's forced his game to greater levels when many others would have been satisfied. CR7 is the same, but he also has the gift of the Gods regarding his physique and speed, which is what puts him up there with the GOATs.

I'm a big fan of the NBA and recently watched the San Antonio Spurs win the NBA finals with a talented team, but a team ultimately lacking traditional superstar qualities. One thing their coach consistently talks about is players 'getting over themselves', usually meaning they're ready to learn, ready to sacrifice their individual targets for the sake of the team. Do we honestly believe we produce players that are like that? Did Steven Gerrard ever 'get over himself', or did he spend years pouting and telling people his best position was centre mid? What about Rooney, allegedly wanting move because 'he's a number 9'? Compare that to somebody like Suarez, who's played left, right, 10 or 9, he's played everywhere and never once come out saying he wants to play in his best position. Sturridge looked like he'd never have a career because he wouldn't get over himself. He finally got the nod at 9 and he hasn't disappointed, but I'm sure it would change if he was shifted to the right for a while.

The point I'm trying to get at is I believe that talent will only take you so far: mentality, tactics and how 'coachable' a team are are the biggest weaknesses I see in the English side. The stars have never gotten over themselves, the team often look tactically lost on the field, and players playing in 'foreign' roles often look bemused and unhappy. For me, these are issues that filter right through to grass roots. The day that changes will be the day we see us at least compete in these tournaments.