Oh you mean since he got caught for having a camera in an uncovered location?



Filming signals is fine...if you have the cameras in designated covered locations in the stadium.



It's nothing at all to do with that - losing Vrabel, McGinest, Harrison, Seymour, Samuel, Law, Milloy, Bruschi, Colvin however, is.

Bringing out that old nugget again. We've been over this in the past. You said the Pats won only because of Brady then changed your mind when they started losing. All I know is you have stank in the playoffs since you were rumbled. Can't be d to go over old ground so that's all I'll be saying on the matter.

Yep, I can't believe they got to a Super Bowl since that happened





You only don't want to go over it because you're wrong, the rule the Patriots broke was the location of the cameras the only reason you make any sort of deal about it is because the sub-standard franchise you support lost against the minnows which sparked the downfall.

The rule they broke saw them given the largest punishment in NFL history as far as I know. $500k for Belichick, $250k for the Pats and your 1st rounder. Yet you seem to want to sweep it under the carpet?



I'm more than over your lot beating us in the Superbowl. You've been cleared of wrong doing on that one so no complaints from me. I still use it to try get a reaction out of LFC but usually fail

The point I'm trying to make is you are 2-3 in the playoffs since you were rumbled. That's been nice and giving you the 2 games you won in the season you were rumbled.



BTW we are and will probably be for a while to come. The e since that Superbowl loss makes it considerably easier to take the defeat.

Well at least you take it better than Raider fans who blame Brady and Brady only for costing them "multiple" Super Bowl wins and the reason the franchise is laughable at the minute

The reason that franchise is a mess is due to Al Davis (may he rest in peace). Seems they have continued his mental strategies of the past with the laughable Palmer trade!

That trade makes me think it wasn't Al coming up with the daft decisions all along!



But if Palmer is worth that much - how much will the Colts get for Peyton in the off season

Not at all true.



We blame the useless referees and the awful coach who took over from Gruden.

When it was the Patriots @ Raiders game they were all blaming Brady





btw, the call was correct

The call was correct. The rule is an awful one.

Not going to argue with that, it really is an awful rule.



Just not as bad as the current PI rules...why is it defensive PI if when the ball is underthrown and the WR turns and runs into the DB, is a flag thrown? That to me is just rewarding bad QB play.

We had a beauty of a call go against us yesterday.



The refs called a personal foul against a player for taking his helmet off on the field.

However he did this because he was concussed and didn't know where he was, so badly so that we took him to the ambulance and he didn't play the rest of the game.

sounds like a right jobsworth of a ref that, technically the flag was correct but come on if the bloke has a concussion have a bit of common sense

Well number 1 in the AFC, i have quite a nosebleed.. obviously not going to last but Andy Dalton and AJ Green are beasts and Carlos Dunlap is the best 4-3 end around at the moment. Go Bengals!!

The one who took you to a superbowl?

Callahan piggybacked on Gruden's work, as shown in the Americas game from that year, he didn't actually change a single thing with the playbooks. Jon & Jay Gruden were able to play the part of Rich Gannon perfectly in practice, and the Bucs knew what the Raiders were doing the whole game.

Well I'm 0-9 in the Rlfans league along with Harrigan but we meet in week 14 so someone has to win a game eventually





I wouldn't mind but I have lost more games in this league than all my others combined, I'm 7-2/6-3/6-3 in my other 3 and leading/tied for the lead in the standings in them all I think so I surely have to make the play-offs for the 1st time ever?

So, hows every ones run in looking? Its about the time now where those of us around .500 or so start looking at the other teams in the conference in a similar position.



We have a very tough game at the weekend against the Texans at Ray Jay followed by a sure loss against the Pack in Green Bay. At 4-6 we would have to probably win every game in then to have a chance. Following that though we have 5 "easier" games against Carolina x2, the Titans, Jacksonville and Dallas. If we can (big if) win these games then that should set up the final game against Atlanta as a possible "playoff" for the wildcard.



Texans (W?)

@ Packers (L)

@ Titans (W)

Carolina (W)

@ Jags (W)

Dallas (W)

@ Carolina (L) I have a feeling about that game

@ ATL (W)



OK, anything between 8-10 wins I reckon. If we lost to the Panthers I think we beat Ryan in the dome. If we beat the Panthers away I think we lost to ATL. It will take some effort to reach 10 wins though and in all honesty, I cant see it.

Dalton IMO has been equally as impressive as Newton, when you consider what he's got to work with.

That's how I'd have you down as finishing. Freeman is too erratic with the ball IMHO. Hoping you can win the 4th quarter is a bit of a reach. The Texans will run allover you. The Packers will put 40+ on you. Demarco Murray will go for 150+ against you. Then Cam and Matty Ice will finish you off. Promising young team, just not good enough in what is turning out to be a very balanced NFC.

The run in for Americas team.





Buffalo (W)

@ Washington (W)

Miami (W)

@ Arizona (W)

Giants (W)

@ Tampa (W)

Philadelphia (L)

@ Giants (L)



10-6 NFC East champions.

ESPN's QBR rating system through week nine. espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/72015 ... on-leaders Seems bang on that.

ESPN's QBR rating system through week nine. espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/72015 ... on-leaders Seems bang on that.

The Packers run-in could potentially be pretty straight-forward. I said to other NFL fans at the start of the season that if we could get to the halfway point undefeated then we should barring a lapse here and there go 16 - 0. Our toughest games when looking down the schedule pre-season were the Saints on the opening day, the Falcons at the Dome and the Chargers away when they had not lost since 08 at Qualcomm. Last season we played similar to this year but just failed to grind out results and lost a few games by less than 3pts, and then Capers got the defense cooking for the run-in. Everyone seems to expect the defense to become much meaner ahead of the playoffs and to bring teams to Lambeau in January would be a big advantage.



[uRemaining Games[/u

Minnesota Vikings @ Lambeau Field - Had a tough game a few weeks back at the Vikes but Monday Night Football at Lambeau is made for Rodgers and we should win comfortably against the lowest ranked team of our run-in.



Tampa Bay Buccaneers @ Lambeau Field - Another home game and the Buccs seem to have fizzled out a bit, so I'd back us again.



Detroit Lions @ Ford Field - Any game at Ford Field is pretty tough and with the Lions having their best season in a long time, this is 1 of the hardest games for the Pack. A rival game also, much will depend on how the Lions do against Chicago and Carolina before this game. It looked as if the dream season was unravelling with defeats to SF and Atlanta but they crushed Denver before the bye week. Will probably be close but if they go down by 14/21 points then I don't think they'll come back and the Pack should win.



NY Giants @ MetLife Stadium - Our toughest game for the remainder of the season. But NY's 6 -2 record could easily be 6 -5 by the time the Packers roll in to town, with games against SF, Phillie and the Saints to come. If they take 2/3 of those games then it will be a fascinating battle. Hopefully Capers's Defense will be playing tighter at this stage. Close game.



Oakland Raiders @ Lambeau Field - Shouldn't have much if any problems with this one. Sorry Raiders fans.



Kansas City Chiefs @ Arrowhead Stadium - The Chiefs had picked up form in the last few weeks but to be crushed by the Dolphins at home is poor. An efficient performance should see a comfortable win.



Chicago Bears @ Lambeau Field - Any game against Chicago is tough, but we got the game at Soldier Field out of the way so hopefully this game on Christmas Day could take Green Bay to 15 - 0.



Detroit Lions @ Lambeau Field - Much will depend on what our record is going into this one. If we are 15 - 0, then McCarthy may put out a strong team to go for the undefeated season. If we have slipped up once or twice en route but have sealed the #1 seed already, could rest Rodgers and a few others. There is also a chance that the Lions could need this one to get into the Playoffs so will probably be tight. Think it'd be foolish to rest players though - the foundation of our run last year was from 2/3 games out we became a machine with stunning momentum. Same again





So yes - there is a good chance we could finish 16 - 0, but it's likely we will slip up once or twice, possibly against the Giants or the Bears/Lions at the end of the season. Hopefully we'll stay relatively injury free, although to win a Super Bowl with a 2nd string team almost means we have great strength in depth.

Once again last night showed that if you give Cutler time he looks like a top QB.If the o-line played like that every week and our D keeps healthy we could give the Packers a game in the playoffs.

The "most destructive DT in the NFL" has been waived today