: Tue Sep 15, 2009 1:25 pm  

Lord God Jose Mourinho wrote:

1. Jennifer Ellison.
2. Debbie, from Brookside and Damon and Debbie.
3. FGTH.

That is it though.

Jennifer Ellison went to dancing school in St Helens. I hope this doesn't put you off her.

FGTH? Am i being stupid?

: Tue Sep 15, 2009 1:31 pm  

Sthelens RLFC wrote:

Jennifer Ellison went to dancing school in St Helens. I hope this doesn't put you off her.

Her being a scouser and the accompanying accent doesn't put me off her, so why would her dancing in St Helens?

FGTH? Am i being stupid?

Frankie Goes to Hollywood.

: Tue Sep 15, 2009 1:32 pm  

Would never have had you down as a Frankie fan.

: Tue Sep 15, 2009 1:34 pm  

Lord God Jose Mourinho wrote:

There were two reported injuries from those incidents. One was a little scratch on RVP's face. The other was a steward losing conciousness and needing to go to hospital..

As far as I am aware, Adebayor did not knock the steward out.

I hear what you are saying but where do you draw the line? As I stated before, Eduardo dived in front of the away fans in a successful attempt to cheat his way to a penalty. Was that not provocative? That could similarly have caused a rush of angry away fans?

However, you could bet your bottom dollar in such a case, now Eduardo's behaviour has been deemed acceptable, the fans would have rightfully been blamed for such behaviour rather than the player who 'provoked' it.

: Tue Sep 15, 2009 1:37 pm  

Amazes me how the FA can charge a player for a celebration, something the referee dealt with, yet we see players getting fractured skulls in games, their legs being snapped in half and some disgraceful challenges, but the FA won't do squat.

It's just ridiculous, they're so inconsistent with their decisions and rules.

: Tue Sep 15, 2009 1:43 pm  

I see Clattenberg now claims he didn't see the incident with Van Persie and he would have sent him off if he had. He was five yards away staring straight at them with a perfectly unobstructed view.

: Tue Sep 15, 2009 1:51 pm  

D.D. wrote:

As far as I am aware, Adebayor did not knock the steward out.

He didn't. But he caused that incident. Without him running from one end of the field to the other it wouldn't have happened.

I hear what you are saying but where do you draw the line? As I stated before, Eduardo dived in front of the away fans in a successful attempt to cheat his way to a penalty. Was that not provocative? That could similarly have caused a rush of angry away fans?

IMO the line's drawn between "normal" celebration and one solely designed to incite. IMO he'd have been pushing at the line if he'd done that after scoring at the away end. He'd have probably got away with it. And incidentally, Thierry Henry used to always celebrate by goading us when he scored against us, so it is ironic that they were on the other end this time.

But I just think that going from one end of the pitch to the other, you're creating the problem, you're going well out of your way to create the problem. You're getting done for the problems you create.

Eduardo's dive was just an incident that happened to take place there. Same with nasty tackles in front of oppo fans. These are things that are going to anger oppo fans, but it's in the stewards remit to sort these problems out. They shouldn't have to be dealing with professional players deliberately inciting the fans though.

However, you could bet your bottom dollar in such a case, now Eduardo's behaviour has been deemed acceptable, the fans would have rightfully been blamed for such behaviour rather than the player who 'provoked' it.

But Eduardo's behaviour hasn't been deemed acceptable to anyone. To anyone with eyes Eduardo is a diving cheat, Wenger's a hypocritical liar and UEFA are incompetent morons.

The fans should be blamed for over-reacting to diving or a bad foul. They should also be blamed for their part in the reaction to Adebayor, and IMO they will if the CCTV evidence can be found. I wouldn't be surprised if there's a bunch of banning orders on the back of this.

: Tue Sep 15, 2009 2:05 pm  

The new rules about capping and home grown players. Chelsea have just been banned from signing any players because of the Kakuta signing. There are now loads of clubs coming forward and saying that Man United, Liverpool etc have done similar things to them. FIFA are saying that young players should be left at the clubs where they grow up so they can develop. But bringing in this home grown players rule will mean that it's far more important that the young players PL clubs have are the best available. FIFA want young players left alone, but the PL are bringing in rules that will make them even more prized.

: Tue Sep 15, 2009 2:10 pm  

Lord God Jose Mourinho wrote:

He didn't. But he caused that incident. Without him running from one end of the field to the other it wouldn't have happened.

The incident would not have happened if the fans had shown the kind of restraint you expect from an adult.

What next? Away fans being excused for ripping up seats and throwing them at home fans because the home supporters near the segregation line celebrated.

Which of the following should be punished:
* Running 80 yds to celebrate in front of opposition fans (where an ex-player scores)?
* Running 40 yds to celebrate in front of opposition fans (where an ex-player scores)?
* Running 80 yds to celebrate in front of opposition fans (in a derby game)?
* Running 40 yds to celebrate in front of opposition fans (in a derby game)?
* Running 80 yds to celebrate in front of opposition fans (in a game against a bitter rival)?
* Running 40 yds to celebrate in front of opposition fans (in a game against a bitter rival)?
* Running 80 yds to celebrate in front of opposition fans (in a game in which the scorer has a problem with the opposition fans)?
* Running 40 yds to celebrate in front of opposition fans (in a game in which the scorer has a problem with the opposition fans)?

What is incitement?

If teh fans don't react, is it still incitement?

What is the acceptable running distance, and what is the relevant context in which it is allowed?


If the FA ban Adebayor on the grounds of improper conduct, it will set a dangerous precedent. If this actually took place in a court, the charges would fail, without doubt.

: Tue Sep 15, 2009 2:11 pm  

Enfield Exile wrote:

The incident would not have happened if the fans had shown the kind of restraint you expect from an adult.

What next? Away fans being excused for ripping up seats and throwing them at home fans because the home supporters near the segregation line celebrated.

Which of the following should be punished:
* Running 80 yds to celebrate in front of opposition fans (where an ex-player scores)?
* Running 40 yds to celebrate in front of opposition fans (where an ex-player scores)?
* Running 80 yds to celebrate in front of opposition fans (in a derby game)?
* Running 40 yds to celebrate in front of opposition fans (in a derby game)?
* Running 80 yds to celebrate in front of opposition fans (in a game against a bitter rival)?
* Running 40 yds to celebrate in front of opposition fans (in a game against a bitter rival)?
* Running 80 yds to celebrate in front of opposition fans (in a game in which the scorer has a problem with the opposition fans)?
* Running 40 yds to celebrate in front of opposition fans (in a game in which the scorer has a problem with the opposition fans)?

What is incitement?

If teh fans don't react, is it still incitement?

What is the acceptable running distance, and what is the relevant context in which it is allowed?


If the FA ban Adebayor on the grounds of improper conduct, it will set a dangerous precedent. If this actually took place in a court, the charges would fail, without doubt.

Under law he could actually be charged with a public order offence.