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Re: Men in Lycra - the Wrestling thread : Tue Feb 21, 2012 9:57 pm  

yeah i thought that, theres a time and a place for them, and that wasnt it.

THAT SAID, it was a bloody boring promo he did.

Re: Men in Lycra - the Wrestling thread : Tue Feb 21, 2012 10:26 pm  

Fantastic Mr Catpiss wrote:

yeah i thought that, theres a time and a place for them, and that wasnt it.

THAT SAID, it was a bloody boring promo he did.

How dare you, nothing the Undertaker says or does should be criticised in any way.

Re: Men in Lycra - the Wrestling thread : Wed Feb 22, 2012 10:04 am  

Yeah, but that promo did drag and Taker seemed a little off the pace.
Probably because he's not given a live promo in over a year.

[Fantastic Mr Catpiss]

Re: Men in Lycra - the Wrestling thread : Wed Feb 22, 2012 11:33 am  

The whole segment ran 9 minutes long, which is why Bena got the jobber entrance the second time. around

Re: Men in Lycra - the Wrestling thread : Wed Feb 22, 2012 6:12 pm  

Anyone else I think that we are slowly getting away from the 2 seperate storyline set up.
About time too IMHO I mean they have already binned off 2 tag belts for 1, 2 womens belts for 1, I can see the US title going next at some point.
They may end up with a 'WWE heavyweight belt' as well.
Plus having 1 set of storylines means no A show and no B show which isn't a bad thing as things don't need to be as rushed between PPV's plus they can trim away a lot of the talent that isn't really good enough that they have to have to fill 2 rosters.

Re: Men in Lycra - the Wrestling thread : Wed Feb 22, 2012 8:44 pm  

Anakin Skywalker wrote:

Anyone else I think that we are slowly getting away from the 2 seperate storyline set up.
About time too IMHO I mean they have already binned off 2 tag belts for 1, 2 womens belts for 1, I can see the US title going next at some point.
They may end up with a 'WWE heavyweight belt' as well.
Plus having 1 set of storylines means no A show and no B show which isn't a bad thing as things don't need to be as rushed between PPV's plus they can trim away a lot of the talent that isn't really good enough that they have to have to fill 2 rosters.

I wouldn't be surprised. The brand extension made sense when WWE had taken over WCW and doubled their roster overnight.

As you say, there's not the talent pool now. This is being shown by the "Raw Supershow" which basically uses the top guys from Raw and SD and this week they've done an SD supershow which is more of the same.

The main trouble at the moment seems to be to do with the ratings. They dip during matches and IMO this is down to the legacy of Vince Russo's booking. Russo did all the backstage skits etc but he had no idea how to book a match, which is why you got 60 seconds between each bell and then 30 minutes of backstage stupidity. That's been followed up by WWE creative who also have no idea how to book a match. Added to that they've thrown out the idea that wins and losses should mean something and so now the average fan has been conditioned to believe that matches don't matter.

Re: Men in Lycra - the Wrestling thread : Sat Feb 25, 2012 10:09 am  

MadDogg wrote:

Name one memorable PG era Hell in a Cell match, I can't think of one.

On another point, I was really irritated at the disrespect shown to Taker with those horrible 'What' chants after every sentence.

God I couldn't agree more mate - if I'd been working there as security I'd have started throwing the t***s out of the arena!! Absolutely disgraceful for a guy who's given his body to the company for 22 years and counting, it's times like that I wish Austin had never accidently come up with it.

First time I've seen Raw for a long time, very enjoyable episode. Cena was absolutely outstanding on the mic, and I am 100% behind him for his match against The Rock. Don't get me wrong I was a huge Rock fan years ago but sod him, everything Cena said was completely true and I wish wrestlers could cut more real promos like that (i.e. while I'm sure it was completely scripted you could still tell Cena meant every word).
At the moment I think Ryder may have to return as a heel - they've turned him into a joke (as usual WWE takes something magic and screws it up ). As a dark heel though I'm sure Ryder could do some great things, e.g. I know it'd be corny but they could do it where him and Eve where in on it all along and attack Cena, if they keep Cena face?
Really looking forward to WM now.

Watched the New Age Outlaws RF Shoot Vol. 2 the other day - complete contrast to the first and that's not a bad thing. Their first shoot around 2005-06 they came across as (and I hate to say this) washed-up bitter ex-WWE stars who still had issues and were on nothing but a downward slope. This however couldn't be more different - both are currently clean, they seemed regretful for the things they've said in the past, and both seemed to be turning their lives around which is fantastic (AFAIK Road Dogg works for WWE now, Billy Gunn the indies). Road Dogg in particular talks about people who have died and who might be next, and it's so good to see that these two are hopefully not going to be in that horrible list of wrestlers who've died 30-40 years too young. Road Dogg seems to have taken the Christian route to change his life, while Gunn acknowledges that it's one day at a time for him but he's doing well.
When you listen to them you realise that either of them could probably have been that next name on the list, so as a long-time fan it's brilliant to hear that sober and loving it. Gunn sometimes comes across as a little arrogant, but Dogg strikes you as a thoroughly nice guy, and to see him back with WWE and get the pop of the night at RR was awesome. Big thumbs up to both and I hope they keep on track with their lives now, and at some point get the deserved HoF induction.

Re: Men in Lycra - the Wrestling thread : Sat Feb 25, 2012 10:17 am  

One thing I still find annoying is WWE's reluctance to use actual tag-teams, i.e. people who are actually a team when they come in, not too guys randomly thrown together. I like Truth & Kingston, but it's yet another tag-team experiment like so many they've done over the years (Jeri-Show, Show-Miz etc). IMO tag-teams meant so much more years ago when they came in together, e.g. like the Road Warriors, Hart Foundation, Rockers, British Bulldogs etc (sorry for going so far back, but you get the point). I'm sure having more actual tag teams (like the Uso's which is a start at least), might help to slowly repair the damage done to those belts. ATEOTD from 2000-2001 the tag-team scene was a huge draw for WWE (esp the Hardyz-Dudleys-E&C fued but also teams like Too Cool were over and sold plenty of merch). There's no reason it couldn't happen again if they wanted it too.

Re: Men in Lycra - the Wrestling thread : Sat Feb 25, 2012 2:17 pm  

Roofs wrote:

Watched the New Age Outlaws RF Shoot Vol. 2 the other day - complete contrast to the first and that's not a bad thing. Their first shoot around 2005-06 they came across as (and I hate to say this) washed-up bitter ex-WWE stars who still had issues and were on nothing but a downward slope. This however couldn't be more different - both are currently clean, they seemed regretful for the things they've said in the past, and both seemed to be turning their lives around which is fantastic (AFAIK Road Dogg works for WWE now, Billy Gunn the indies). Road Dogg in particular talks about people who have died and who might be next, and it's so good to see that these two are hopefully not going to be in that horrible list of wrestlers who've died 30-40 years too young. Road Dogg seems to have taken the Christian route to change his life, while Gunn acknowledges that it's one day at a time for him but he's doing well.
When you listen to them you realise that either of them could probably have been that next name on the list, so as a long-time fan it's brilliant to hear that sober and loving it. Gunn sometimes comes across as a little arrogant, but Dogg strikes you as a thoroughly nice guy, and to see him back with WWE and get the pop of the night at RR was awesome. Big thumbs up to both and I hope they keep on track with their lives now, and at some point get the deserved HoF induction.

Billy Gunn used to be one of my favourite wrestlers. (think I've still got a Mr Ass T shirt somewhere). His music was always good too..... Even when he called himself The One.
Th New Age Outlaws were a huge part of DX's success and rightly deserve a place in the HOF at some point.

Re: Men in Lycra - the Wrestling thread : Sat Feb 25, 2012 4:27 pm  

Well Drew McIntyre is to get a new gimmick. And it's going to have gay overtones, if not full on. Did WWE learn nothing from Billy & Chuck (a gimmick that did actually get a lot of positive press from groups like GLAAD etc, right up to the point where they turned round and mocked the whole idea of them being gay and then got a huge negative backlash because of it) or that stuff Orlando Jordan was doing in TNA? Link to quite an interesting interview with CM Punk

Well Drew McIntyre is to get a new gimmick. And it's going to have gay overtones, if not full on. Did WWE learn nothing from Billy & Chuck (a gimmick that did actually get a lot of positive press from groups like GLAAD etc, right up to the point where they turned round and mocked the whole idea of them being gay and then got a huge negative backlash because of it) or that stuff Orlando Jordan was doing in TNA? Link to quite an interesting interview with CM Punk