Re: Football Chat Thread - Euro 2012 edition : Fri Jun 15, 2012 9:23 pm  

Dead Man Walking wrote:

Ashley Young brings the ability to dive and get a penalty and even a player sent off.

Yes, I must admit among all the mistakes he made, mainly involving giving the ball away, I did notice he did one of those salmon-like dives that he has made his very own.

He's a waste of time, utter toss.

Re: Football Chat Thread - Euro 2012 edition : Fri Jun 15, 2012 9:37 pm  

So

Despite having numerous players out through injury, despite missing our best player for the first 2 games with suspension, despite having a new manager only 3 weeks in the job, despite being in a group with the host nation, a team we've never beaten in a competitive fixture, and a team over 20 games unbeaten......

We are just a draw away from qualifying for the quarters with our best player to return.

That's not too shabby in anyones book.

Re: Football Chat Thread - Euro 2012 edition : Fri Jun 15, 2012 9:42 pm  

Dita's Slot Meter wrote:

Can somebody explain what Ashley Young actually brings to the side??....He is rubbish, simple as. It comes to something when I'd take Downing on the left over him.

For the next game, I'd be inclined to bring Baines in on the left....I think Cole will feel more confident about moving forward and it'll shore up that left side defensively and give us a better quality of ball to Carroll.

He was awful tonight, agreed. He definitely deserves to he dropped.for the next game in place of Walcott or The Ox. Have been impressed with Welbeck so far, for a change. Rooney and Carroll could be devastatingly good though.

Re: Football Chat Thread - Euro 2012 edition : Fri Jun 15, 2012 9:58 pm  

Dita's Slot Meter wrote:

Good job we have a top coach who knows how to change a game that's going away from us???....

Agreed. An even better job that we have such a world class line-up of commentators and pundits that are soundly advising him as well. Line of the night came from Lawro: "England's defenders seem to be running back."

Re: Football Chat Thread - Euro 2012 edition : Fri Jun 15, 2012 10:00 pm  

Roddy B wrote:

Agreed. An even better job that we have such a world class line-up of commentators and pundits that are soundly advising him as well. Line of the night came from Lawro: "England's defenders seem to be running back."

Not to mention Hansen, should of heard him the other night on about Ibra, doesn't do enough, doesn't rate him and doesn't score enough goals apparantley.

Re: Football Chat Thread - Euro 2012 edition : Fri Jun 15, 2012 10:02 pm  

Roddy B wrote:

Agreed. An even better job that we have such a world class line-up of commentators and pundits that are soundly advising him as well. Line of the night came from Lawro: "England's defenders seem to be running back."

But you must admit it was a good substitution from hodgson. Inspired even, it was an almost instant reaction to going 2-1 down.

All top quality manager make decisive game changing subs like that, don't they?

Re: Football Chat Thread - Euro 2012 edition : Fri Jun 15, 2012 10:02 pm  

Young was terrible and how Johnson got the MOM I don't know. He is out of position so often its ridiculous. We're having to reduce our pace on the right by starting Milner to cover for when Johnson goes walkabout.

Still I suppose we showed we can score goals without Rooney in the side. It'll be interesting to see who Rooney will come in for. You'd probably say Young deserves to be dropped on form but I can't see it as it would mean changing the system quite dramatically, unless he wants to play Welbeck on the left, but I'm not sure thats the best way to use him.

All in all we need to improve in every department. The midfield so been very poor so far, they work hard but there's no cutting edge, from Parker inparticular.

Re: Football Chat Thread - Euro 2012 edition : Fri Jun 15, 2012 10:06 pm  

Lord Tony Smith wrote:

Not to mention Hansen, should of heard him the other night on about Ibra, doesn't do enough, doesn't rate him and doesn't score enough goals apparantley.

Can't stand Hansen, he's a bitter jock, and I don't know why Lawro bothers watching the game, he makes 1 positive comment per game.

Re: Football Chat Thread - Euro 2012 edition : Fri Jun 15, 2012 10:08 pm  

Charlie Sheen wrote:

Can't stand Hansen, he's a bitter jock, and I don't know why Lawro bothers watching the game, he makes 1 positive comment per game.

I think it's funny with lawro, he just chips in with sarcastic snide remarks

Re: Football Chat Thread - Euro 2012 edition : Fri Jun 15, 2012 10:13 pm  

Roddy B wrote:

Agreed. An even better job that we have such a world class line-up of commentators and pundits that are soundly advising him as well. Line of the night came from Lawro: "England's defenders seem to be running back."

Lawrenson is as bitter as you. What's up with you at the moment? Time of the month? I half wish Liverpool win the league next season, just so you cheer up a bit. They should get rid of the LFC influence on the TV, Carragher is a terrible pundit and old Phil is just so negative. "Same old England", and "He [Walcott] has been living off the Croatia game for years, he's not good enough". Boom, eat that old man. They should get Stan Collymore on the BBC, passion and enthusiasm for the game and he also offers some insight having played the game in the last 20 years.

England were fine tonight, playing very positively when they finally got the ball off the Swedes. The only problem with tonight's performance was that they weren't able to keep the ball in midfield which meant they were always in danger of dropping too deep. England have many problems, but the main one for me is the centre of midfield. I thought Gerrard had a reasonable game tonight, but Parker, for all his effort, is extremely poor technically.

Milner continues to annoy me. He put in a couple of half decent crosses tonight, but is so far away from deserving an England shirt that it's not funny. Theo was sensational tonight when he came on, perhaps that is the right way to use him. Finally a player had the guts to go at someone.

Tough decisions ahead for Hodgson. The fact we only need a draw could well cost England IMO, as he's likely to pick Milner, Parker and Gerrard again and make only one change, bringing Rooney in for one of the front two. I don't see why they don't abandon the width and go with Jones, Gerrard and Rooney in midfield and Carroll, Young and Wellbeck up front.

Some more hideously obvious anti-England refereeing tonight. There seems to be two sets of rules, one for England and one for the non-English sides. There were some absolutely blatant examples again tonight. Like when Scott Parker was shoved in the back and pushed over the side line and a throw in to Sweden was given and when Lescott won a header cleanly and a free kick was given. I don't know what Gerrard has to do to get a free kick on the edge of the box. Perhaps his reputation for diving is going before him, but the one against France was a knee to the thigh and tonight there was another clear foul ignored.